To the Editor: Why do we need a new pool now?
Written by Paul Collings   
Wednesday, 01 February 2012 09:59
Once again, property owners of Bowling Green will be asked to raise their taxes to support a pet project. This time the Aquatic Center of Bowing Green, or a new swimming pool. Why do we need this now, when many homeowners are struggling to pay already high taxes, from the pet projects of the last few elections, fuel, food, oh and, need we forget the income tax increase recently passed? Citizens are struggling just to make ends meet, but by golly, we need a new pool.
The flier I recently received stated the existing pool would be sustainable for another 3 to 5 years. In 3 to 5 years the committee could raise money to build the new pool instead of putting all of the burden on home owners. The flier also indicated that the existing pool would be used for around 6 weeks this summer. Real good use of money, fill the pool and then drain it. Maybe it is time for the group, who feel this pool is needed find alternative funding. It used to be that committees would have fund raisers, sell bonds and get donations from people who will use the facilities. No, not in Bowling Green, we put a tax burden on everyone, if you use the facility or not. It is time to stand up and vote against this levy.
But I guess I will have to come to the reality, that the supporters will mobilize the university students, and others who have no financial interest in the levy to get it passed. It is also amazing, how it is on the ballot in March that always has low turnout and everything passes.
Business as usual in BG.
Paul Collings
Bowling Green
 

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# 2012-02-01 10:06
Paul,

There will be a group, to be called "Alternative Solutions - No New Taxes" which will be working to educate the voters on why we should not approve this levy, but begin to really take a critical look at "public" services and how the community and business leaders can provide for the city.

We have to remember that this levy is on top of a proposed new income tax coming this fall, so residents and citizens of BG will be hit twice in one year with new taxes.

You can find the group on Facebook right now, and after their filing with the Board of Elections will be start promoting the alternative vote (no vote) in March.
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# 2012-02-03 15:59
I’m old enough to remember when the current, (existing) pool was built....(like 50 years ago). It has served our community well, and has made many a child and family (including mine), very happy over the years. It is too bad to think about all the Million$ of dollar$ it’s gonna take to replace it. But, do we really want to deny future generations of the pleasures WE enjoyed. Wasn’t THIS pool financed through taxes paid for by the prior generation?
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# 2012-02-04 21:43
First, the plan is not for a simple replacement of the pool, but rather a full aquatic park. This is horrible waste of tax dollars.

Secondly, just because the previous pool was paid for by taxes does not mean that is the only way.

The pool has made money, and if it was not run by the city, it would have money for capital improvements.

There are other alternatives, to include a simple replacement not paid for by taxes.
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# 2012-02-06 12:06
Mr. Eberly, you are entitled to your opinion, But come on now, you don't think we need to replace a 50 year old pool ? For crying out loud, if you are a builder or contractor, you would know that it is over due to replace this pool. And what is so wrong with adding the extras now, while being cost effective and adding features that will help bring in revenue. As far as the pool not being ownedor run by the City, who does run it? It should be maintained & run by the city and Parks divsion.
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# 2012-02-06 16:47
Hello Cindi,

As mentioned, I am NOT against having pools and other recreational facilities in our wonderful town which raise our standard of living.

However, just as we got into the mess of having an outdated pool in our community through government run programs, we are only further setting ourselves up for more problems.

We should seek alternatives to the old methods. We should seek alternatives to taxes and city run only recreational facilities.

We should be open for additional discussion, especially when it is NOT a simple replacement.

I do appreciate the feed back Cindi!
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# 2012-02-06 21:50
sounds like Nathan never had fun as a kid and does not want kids to enjoy a new aquatics complex. People like you are the reason our city is mediocre. Do you even know anything about pools?
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# 2012-02-07 09:37
I'm not sure if you are understanding my message. I am not against pools, or recreation in general. However, I am against poor decisions and poor management.

As I continue to mention, there are many ways we as a community can have these items which DO raise our standard of living, without added costs.

Across the country, there are numerous examples of private organizations and businesses who handle recreational facilities with very positive results.

Again, I had great fun as a child in a community pool (neighborhood association pool which cost my family of 5 kids about $350 per summer).

There are other alternatives, however the Parks and Rec departments go ahead on the sub committee's recommendation is either pass the levy or close the pool. I don't believe that to be true.
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# 2012-02-01 13:08
But Paul, you'll no doubt be OK, voting YES on the School levey planned for this year, giving teachers and staff a raise. I personally support replacing the pool!
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# 2012-02-01 22:07
Harry
You obviously don't know me. I have never voted for a tax levy and never will. I find it fundamentally wrong that people with no financial burdon can vote to tax those of us who do. Tax levys should only be vote on by those who will pay for it. Additionally, tax levys are like the congress did with the social security pool. They considered it a slush fund that they could rape to pay for their pet projects. Our local governments do the same with the levys, simply tax property owners, an easy source of revenue
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# 2012-02-02 08:53
so are you against public education? There are many home-owners and others with financial burdens who do support the schools.
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# 2012-02-02 11:17
Paul -- You're obviously uneducated in the ways of rent calculation, dear boy!

We who pay rent, darling boy *do* pay property taxes! It's calculated in what we pay the landlord! If we didn't, all we needed to pay was just the utilities we use.

Second, you're obviously uneducated in the ways the city government is run! If a levy is to raise funds for a *specific* goal (such as the pool), it can't be used for anything else!

Maybe if you started attending City Council meetings and educate yourself, you wouldn't be showing us all how ignorant you truly are.
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# 2012-02-02 12:15
Thank you Marlene, You are obviously a liberal who knows everything and anyone who has an opinion that is not the same as you is ignorant. I really don't remember saying anything about levy money paying for anything other than what it was intended for. My opinion was we don't a tax levy for a pool. Perhaps you can elighten us all. What is your background on the working of government?
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# 2012-02-02 11:26
Quoting paul:
Tax levys should only be vote on by those who will pay for it.

Paul, please accept my apologies! I am in total agreement with your reply.
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# 2012-02-02 08:57
Harry, are you arguing that teachers and staff at the school should have their pay cut? By how much? What should starting salaries be, and what should average salaries be?
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# 2012-02-01 14:13
Though we need a new pool, and I am all for it to remain at the City Park, I too feel this is the wrong time to do it, Use the old one for a wee bit longer, and stop lumping all these things together on the ballot,maybe that is why things get voted down around here. Stop the nonsence and do some good politicing here !
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# 2012-02-01 22:11
Katie, the only thing I can remember being voted down was an income tax increase to keep the grass dump open. The same tax reappeared on the next ballot redesidnated to support police and fire departements and passed by a landslide.
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# 2012-02-01 14:49
Wow, Paul you insight on saving money is just awesome I can believe no one thought of that but you. you should be proud of yourself. Enough with the jokes I mean taking paul word on this issue? LOL That pool over forty years old do you understand operating cost for older structures do not go down but up? This is Basic Intro Accounting I am talking about. When the new building is built the operating cost will be down and the cost of pay the debt on that will less then using it as it currently is. If Paul is a tea party type is why I do not take anything they say on fiscal policies with any weight. they are a joke and any idea on how government or nonprofits work should not be taken more than outright selfishness. If you cannot support a pool Paul please feel free to leave BG.
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# 2012-02-01 17:34
Quoting Tea Party Joke:
If Paul is a tea party type is why I do not take anything they say on fiscal policies with any weight. they are a joke

Hey buddy, were you just released from jail or something over the "Occupy BG" mess? Where in the HECK did all this pent up anger about the "Tea Party" come from anyway? Go back to your parents basement and leave Paul alone!
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# 2012-02-01 22:17
I have no problem with a new pool, just how it is being financed. Yes I do undersand how governments work. They spend with no accountabily and tax and tax again to pay the bills. Government needs to become fically responsible by elimiating waste, and controlling spending instead of just looking for more tax money. Economics 101
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# 2012-02-01 23:40
Perhaps you didn't notice Mr. Tea Joke, but we are discussing a pool. Operating costs of a pool do not increase with age. It is a pool! You fill it with treated water. Technology has not changed at all when it comes to swimming pools. A new pool facility would be nice, but justifying it by claiming the lowered operating costs will pay for it is funny indeed.

Wanting the other taxpayers to buy you a pool is outright selfishness! If you want the rest of us to buy you a new swimming pool please feel free to leave BG.
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# 2012-02-02 11:21
Sweetie -- Have you received the pamphlet which was sent to explain *why* the levy was put on the ballot?

The liner's almost shot, maintenance of this old pool getting tougher and more expensive to keep going, and there's new technology the park district can use in regards to pool operations.
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# 2012-02-02 00:20
Liberal Joke. Keep on raising taxes and people will start leaving BG then where will the city get their money? Last election we were told the library needed saving and now they are getting raises. A perfect example of wasteful spending in a cash strapped economy. You liberals just don't seem to get it. All you know is tax and spend, tax and spend!
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# 2012-02-02 08:55
Explain how the library workers are overpaid. Do you oppose the library?
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# 2012-02-03 17:16
Based on your comments for another letter this week, I think I already have the answer. Since you get all of your opinions spoon-fed to you by conservative media, you have no need for the library.
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# 2012-02-02 18:23
Oh please, Paul has the right to express his opinion whether yo agree or not,and the notion that if he disagrees with your your ability to justify spending everyone's money for the greater good is wrong then shame on you. It's time to stop the the wasteful spending whether its a pool or what ever. I serious doubt people live bg because of our pool or would even consider that. Seriously , you are the joke !
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# 2012-02-01 15:16
Can't we find some rich people that will buy us a new pool?
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# 2012-02-01 17:16
It would be great to be able to provide a new facility without public funds but being able to fundraise $3.8 million for a new pool is just not feasible before the lifespan of the pool runs out or for our groups in BG that do this for many projects. For a project that needed $50,000, fundraising might work. I just don't see how this levy is too much to ask in order to provide this for the community. This could be a great and positive thing for BG and maybe we need a little of that right now.
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# 2012-02-01 23:01
A city pool is a want, not a need. No one in this town seems to have any ideas other than to raise our property taxes. If it has outlived its purpose and usefulness, then lets get some dirt and fill it in. I don't want to fund one more thing that I don't need, want or use. Period.
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# 2012-02-02 08:56
Clearly you have never visited City Park in the summer. Saying an antiquated facility is in need of replacing is absolutely not the same as saying it has "outlived its purpose and usefulness."
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# 2012-02-02 12:32
The community wants a pool. That's clear. But why is this on homeowners only? What other real efforts have been attempted?

There are other methods, but taxing is the easiest. Especially when they suggest all city council supports the measure (when that is a light stretch).

As a community we can do better than forcing people to pay for a luxury. What about businesses in the area and sponsors? What about other value added services which could help raise money?

The pool made money last year (excluding capital improvements which are not a "current" expense in the accounting world). You can not tell me that they can not look for additional value adds and pricing strategies to meet their capital needs. We can do better as a community.
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# 2012-02-02 15:42
This time I do agree with you Mr. Williams. Just because a person won't ever use something like a pool doesn't mean that it's not something a community shouldn't have for the good of everyone, similar to the reason we have parks adn libraries. According to Fill it In, the pool should be eliminated since they don't use it. I would have to assume from that comment that they would have all the schools closed as well...
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# 2012-02-02 14:02
It is interesting that you would only be willing to pay for things that you yourself would use. Sometimes its not about just yourself. Our community needs and wants people that supports things for the greater good, things that make this a nice place to live. If people are attracted to live, work and spend money in BG, it benefits everyone.
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# 2012-02-02 14:24
Paul, I commend you for having the courage to put your actual name on a letter to the editor while the rest of the people here hide behind a screen name and ridicule your beliefs. I agree that a new pool is something that shouldn't be put on the back of the tax payers at this point in time. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but last I heard the proposed location for the new pool is out by the new community center, right? If that is true, has anyone considered how children will safely transport themselves to the new location? The community center is really not centrally located like the location of the current pool where kids can ride their bikes to during the summer while their parents are working.
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# 2012-02-02 16:17
I have been under the impression the new Pool would REPACE the old pool, in the CITY PARK ! I will not vote for one at the so called community Center. That is not where it belongs ! I must stay at the City Park, it belongs there. No where else, period. The community center while it is nice, is not easy for the community kids to get too ! Plain & simply. If it is to be founded through the City, it belongs on City property !
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# 2012-02-02 20:56
pool is staying at city park!
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# 2012-02-02 23:10
Gift, If I am not mistaken the new Aquatic center will be located in city park at the site of the existing pool. The indoor pool at the community center was discussed, but tabled at this time. My guess, if it will be on the ballot within a year or two after the smoke settles on this issue. Again tax levys will be asked for to pay for it. In addtion to the pool, the supporter will be looking for funding to build a bike and walking path to the community center, also funded by a tax levy. It never stops.
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# 2012-02-03 03:43
No, that was discussed, but deemed to costly at this time. it will continue to be at the City Park. the plan is quite nice with a couple more modern slides and a lazy river.
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# 2012-02-03 17:59
read the signs it sas Save the City Park Pool
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# 2012-02-07 09:39
It's not about saving the pool. If you look at the plans, it is not a replacement, but a very expensive and advanced upgrade at a time when we should really consider a minimal approach through alternative funding and management.

If it were just a simple saving of the pool, it would not cost $3.8 million.
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# 2012-02-02 16:41
Gift, the location for the new pool will be at city park. The location is very important to the community to keep it safe for our children to get to. Mr Eberly were you at the council meeting when the vote occured. I was and it was agreed on and commended by every single council person in attendance. Please do not skew your facts. No stretch just facts. I don't use a lot of things I vote for but I vote for them to help better my community. It is never a good time to ask for a new tax but if it does not happen now we may lose a land mark that was started by the BG Women's Club over 50 years ago. It is a great idea and I support it even though I have never swam there in 20 years.
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# 2012-02-04 21:48
If it is a landmark, why are the plans a full aquatic park and not simple replacement. I hope you choose to not remain anonymous, but the facts presented were not a full disclosure of all facts to the public, including survey methods of the community. Further, several council people were seen as hesitant about the vote. If it weren't for the pool committee stating its this year or its closed, the vote likely would have been delayed for additional study. However, for the March ballot, it had to be in by the deadline.

I am not skewing facts. Until the council people at that time go on record in full support, its here say (sp)
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# 2012-02-02 18:57
Solution? If you want the pool, vote YES. If you don't want the pool, vote NO. Count the votes and the populace has spoken. Please focus on the issue folks and stop the personal criticism.
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# 2012-02-04 21:53
But is that a solution? Government forcing to pay taxes for something which generates its own revenue??

There are other ways, including a scaled down replacement of the pool. What is put forward is a larger aquatic center, exceeding what people would call a "replacement". This is a case of horrible planning, poor financial planning, and poor management.

If the demand is there for additional value added services, a slightly larger replacement could atill be paid for by admission and charge for use.

It should require real planning and leadership, not just gaining quotes for construction and saying its the Park and Rec's way or the pool gets closed. They are using scare tactics as opposed to looking for real alternatives.
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# 2012-02-03 14:42
Thanks Adrian, a voice of reason!
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# 2012-02-06 20:05
This is not just an issue of taxation. What about the City Park? It is a fairly small neighborhood park where people go to walk their dogs or watch fireflies in the summer beneath its huge, beautiful trees. If you look at the plan for the aquatic center, it calls for new & expanded parking lots. What will be torn out and paved over? It's one thing to replace a pool families love - it's another to rip out green space and cut down trees for lap lanes and a lazy river. I usually vote yes on levies, but this time I'm voting no.
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# 2012-02-07 09:52
Great point, which is also a major concern of mine. This is not a simple replacement, but rather an expansive build out of a much more advanced aquatic center, which exceeds what we need as a community.

Too big of a risk to take out a big portion of City Park at such a high cost. We need to reexamine alternatives to the full plan.
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# 2012-02-07 09:58
Lazy rivers are awesome, and the new plans call for water slides too! I agree that new parking lots are unnecessary. We should build more bike paths and encourage everyone to ride bikes to the City Park. If the Tea Partiers don't want to pay taxes they should move to one of the many small towns in the area that doesn't have nice things like parks and libraries. I, for one, am glad to pay a little to have a nice community.
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# 2012-02-08 10:15
If that is the case, how much money would you donate for the purpose of building a new pool this year, and each year thereafter? Just asking, as if the levy is voted down, how quickly will people step up with donations?
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# 2012-02-07 12:01
Banana Man is right, move outside of BG don't pay the city tax unless you work here. Then keep whining about taxes YOU don't pay for services like pools, schools, you don't use. The rest of the town see the value of a good city park, good public schools,etc. When companies look at relocating they DON'T look just at low taxes. They want to move into area where they can attract employee's live and raise families.
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# 2012-02-07 15:28
It is a very careful balance in terms of reasoning behind business growth and start up.

I must qualify that I am NOT a Tea Party person or candidate.

I agree that these things are great! They do raise the standard of living. However, there are alternatives to what we are proposing, but they are left out of the discussion. The idea from the beginning was to raise taxes or close the pool.

The community is actually held hostage by this levy. It is either we pass the levy or they close the pool. How would a normal person react?

There are alternatives to replacing the aged pool, without adding taxes and by continuing to add valued services to our community.
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# 2012-02-11 20:04
I would support a new pool - but this this aquatic complex thing...? A lazy river? Flume slides? Dual-lane curly slide? C'mon, Kalahari is an hour east if you want this type of fun. Besides, BGPD has said the current pool has an expected 10 years left - start a fund drive if you want this type of nonsense, don't place the burden on property owners. It'll pass - BG will pass any request for money if it's on a ballot.
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# 2012-02-16 11:51
I am AGAINST having to pay for a pool. I will help pay for the library and the health department - those serve many in need and are a necessity. A pool is NOT a necessity that EVERYONE should be forced to pay for. Let there be a fundraiser, like they did with the park property (?) a little while ago. Then those who really want it can and will work to get it and the rest of us who don't care won't have to pay for it. Sounds like the best solution to me. :)
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