To the Editor: Non-resident of BG is upset by school's income tax levy
Written by Anthony Clarke   
Wednesday, 01 August 2012 09:39
Here we go again, Bowling Greens Board of Education in its infinite wisdom has unanimously voted to go with a five year income tax levy rather than a property tax or a combination of the two, because the board president says the residents  "were not as positive." "They were very negative for the property tax."
Well, of course they were, make others help pay for the schools. Simply because I work in BG and live in McClure I don't even get to vote on it! Our revolution was fought because they endured "Taxation without representation." But I have no voice, I will pay an additional .75% of my check if it passes won't I?
Once again the average "Joe Taxpayer" is being hornswaggeled by a small group of people that has yet to provide the voting public on a breakdown of where the money will go. And I don't mean "well we have to pay for this and that and there you have it", we need a comprehensive list printed in the Sentinel-Tribune before the election of where they intend to spend it, we have the right and deserve it as taxpayers! Don't insult our intelligence school board members. You have plenty of time to get the information gathered and provide it to the Sentinel-Tribune, as a matter of fact it should have been done already.
Anthony Clarke
McClure
 

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# 2012-08-01 10:28
Anthony,

If you live outside of bgcs, you need to go back and amend your school district returns for the last few years. You pay school district tax based on the district you live in, not the district you work in.

I do agree , though, that the board should publish the financial statements for the district with a historical comparison of the last five years and the projections for the next five years that show they are going to be in the red. This also needs to contain detailed information, not just a summary of expenses. Furthermore, they should provide commentary of where are the issues are at and what ideas does the board and administration have to live within their means.

Show me you are being good stewards of my money and I will vote yes!
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# 2012-08-01 11:08
Anthony,

You will not pay BG school income tax. According to the Ohio taxation, you only pay school income tax for the school district for which you reside - not where you work.

Thank You
Jodie Watson
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# 2012-08-01 12:04
The answer to your question, no you will not pay .75% of your check if it passes. You only pay bg school district income tax if you live in the bg school district. You only pay school district income tax for the school district you live in. The city of bg takes takes from you wheather you live here or not. If you work in bg you pay them.
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# 2012-08-01 12:07
Time for Union Teachers to get raises!!
Personally, I say "make some drastic cuts"!
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# 2012-08-03 09:36
Yeah! Them smarty teachers what with them "degrees" and all! Minimum wage i say! You people are pathetic...and jealous.
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# 2012-08-03 12:07
I think you are dealing with a mentality that believes you should only have access to what you can personally pay for, and this includes health care as well as education. After all, these are not "rights." And one's personal wealth is a sign of how favored you are by God. In fact, the mentality is resentful of the very notion of "public" (which some regard as "communist"). And it is a mentality that finds it really unfair that having a good education should give anyone an economic advantage over someone who is poorly educated. It's that "those people are not like me and are taking my stuff!" attitude that runs rampant in LimbaughLand.
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# 2012-08-01 12:29
Very good letter, I support Anthony's views a hundred percent. There are more cuts that could be taken,the High School DOES NOT need an Athletic Director. That position alone would save a lot of money, as well as money from benefit package that goes with it. I feel they need to trim the fat in Administration first and show us where the money is going before any increase property or income taxes are even suggested. This needs to go public and in the Sentinel.
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# 2012-08-01 12:45
Isn't the tax only imposed on those who actually reside in the BG school district?
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# 2012-08-01 13:09
Hey Anthony,
Everything the schools spend is public records with public meetings, etc. If you want to see how they spend, look at the Treasurers report. They are not wasting money!
Bowling Green Schools are great and they deserve our support. When Schools can't count on the state for support they are forced to raise their own revenues.
Maybe if the state pulled it's weight BG wouldn't have to keep going back to the voters.
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# 2012-08-01 13:17
Anthony Clarke you will not pay this tax. the tax is only on residents of the BG school district.

School income tax is different from city income taxes. Which you do pay 2% and is truely taxation without representation! !!

As a BG resident I am not in favor of a new tax for a school system with an average teacher sallary as of 2010 of close to $68K per teacher. That is an hourly rate of $51 per hour.

There is lots of room to cut in pay and benifits!!!!
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# 2012-08-01 15:30
A majority of BGCS teachers are also BG residents. Thus, they are also voters and taxpayers. And your numbers are skewed upwards by counting teachers with many years of service, extra administrative responsibilitie s, and administrators themselves. Cutting salaries (and benefits) would reduce earning power of BG residents, leading to possible mortgage defaults and bankruptcy, inability to send kids to college, increase burden of health care, etc. It would also weaken BG's competitiveness in hiring. Your hourly rate, apart from being "cheap" for a trained professional with a master's degree, is also overstated, since it is based on classroom hours, and is not an accurate reflection of actual work time.
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# 2012-08-01 17:40
Our teachers do not all make the kind of money you claim..but like Fox news..don't let the truth get in the way of trying to rile people up to see your point of view! Secretaries..Custodians..Maintenance..bus drivers..and food service workers 9full and part time)are also employees of the system..and will be the first to be laid off if things get worse. BG is a great and effective school system..period. We are not the enemies the Neo-cons paint us as being...just your scapegoat of the month.
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# 2012-08-02 16:43
Charter schools are the only way to go..There will be plenty of teachers who will provide great educations for free..
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# 2012-08-03 08:41
umm. That's not how charter schools work. Nothing is for "free;" it is all a matter of who pays. Setting up charter schools costs money, there is a poor track record for their working well outside of densely-populated areas, and there are plenty of studies showing that they are not always as successful as their promoters insist. A problem with the ones in Toledo is that they tend to do some things very well, other things very poorly. The good ones are terrific, but smaller class size (more one-on-one teacher attention) is part of the attraction. The problem remains of how to educate everybody.

Nice to see you back, Snapperhead, though the comments seem a bit troll-like.
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# 2012-08-03 13:40
Thanks for the warm welcome Chris..
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# 2012-08-03 09:34
You mean for profit don't you? A charter school in Toledo failed miserably last year..was shut down..and reopened with the same staff under a different name. Is thishayou want? Failing schools that won't go away? BG has been consistantly rated Excellent..what more do you want? For free? Are you crazy?
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# 2012-08-03 13:38
PK,think about it...The kids coming out of all schools won't find jobs anyway...So why spend the money teaching skills that have no market...Welcome to the new normal,looks like it will get worse to me...We need to import more talent from overseas..There are plenty of people from south of the border to do the manual labor,that our people are to good to do.
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# 2012-08-03 13:54
Am I crazy?Lets take a poll..I do love election years.Always a tax issue in BG over school funding..Do you think with the crisis going on in this country,that we are receptive to more taxes?Do you understand what is going on in Europe?Have you heard of the fiscal cliff?My advice to you,is stop spending,and start stuffing the mattress with dollars...
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# 2012-08-03 14:26
Stop overfunding the military...stop the losing and stupid Drug War..stop giving tax breaks and incentives for the wealthy and the greedy corporations that export our jobs..keep our nose and resources out of other countries that don't want us there...increase the minimum wage so people have more to spend..these alone would pull our country away from your "fiscal cliff"..but it makes too much sense..and the people with vested interests otherwise will fight tooth and nail against it...
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# 2012-08-03 16:01
I agree with all of your points PK,but is not going to happen.We are basically moving into a feudal society.The powers to be have won and will continue to rule us in the same direction.All Americans are going to have to re-invent themselves or surrender to their fates..
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# 2012-08-10 09:28
Quoting pk:
...increase the minimum wage so people have more to spend..


Increasing minimum wage will only result in fewer minimum wage jobs. A few people will have more money to spend, but most folks looking for "entry level" jobs will not find them. Jobs that pay minimum wage are certainly not appropriate to attempt to support a family with. They are entry level by definition. Pay scales for all jobs should not be dictated by the government, rather market conditions should be the sole factor... supply and demand still applies, just as it applies with the government mandates of "Obamacare" and other government directives.
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# 2012-08-02 15:14
Chris-this has been a gripe for me for many years. There are a lot of teachers etc that live in other school districts. I think you should reside within the school distruct if you want to teach in any given school boundries. When their taxes get effected they might see where we are coming from. I will say ALL the districts are in bad shape. We blew it secades ago when we were living high on the hog and the sky is the limit. Now there is job loss, lack of state funding and the only choice is the tax payers. I will vote NO because my taxes are high enough.
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# 2012-08-02 15:21
Our country is in a mess and ALL the school districts combined. I say all Wd Cty schools go together and this will pool all the monies and then there won't be any hassles. People in this area need to go down to SE Georgia. They do it just fine down there. One huge school disrict all in one building.
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# 2012-08-01 14:24
BG has a great school system. We should do everything we can to support our schools, especially now that state support for education is being slashed, as is state funding to counties, cities and libraries.

For more than four decades I have watched many different BG teachers, staff and administrators work hard to provide a great education, safe environment and rewarding experience for my children and now my grandchildren.

I'm proud to say they all attended BG schools - Ridge, Conneaut, Kenwood, old Jr. High, new Jr. High and High School.
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# 2012-08-01 14:24
My wife and I will be voting "YES" for the BG school levy this fall and will do so for years to come. Our schools deserve our support.

Everyone involved in our school system should be proud of the work they and their predecessors have done in making BG a great place to live.
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# 2012-08-04 10:19
"Schools" don't 'deserve' anything, and it seems that you have a blind allegiance. "My children" are 'entitled to' a fair education - by law. Anything in addition to a quality basic education (English, math, science, civics) is gravy. I'm not against gravy, and I'm all for educating my children, but when and where does it stop? I can't remember a ballot that did not include a "renewal" or new tax for the schools. The ACT and SAT don't test on extra-curriculars, so as far as I'm concerned they should be 'pay per', cut, or covered with fund-raisers.
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# 2012-08-01 14:50
Vote NO!!!
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# 2012-08-01 15:22
No, you do not pay the school district tax as so many have pointed out. You do pay the city tax, the same as I paid to Toledo when I worked there and several other cities I didn't live in but worked in. I was always told that: 1) if the building I was in caught fire, the fire dept of that city would rescue me (just an example but you get the idea) and 2) if I didn't like it, I didn't have to work there. So there you go, you can always stay in McClure and work but I'm guessing you like the opportunities and pay a little better in BG.
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# 2012-08-02 10:09
Shame on the Sentinel for printing this letter without a disclaimer that the guy was full of crap. This is how urban legends start. Some folks who just read the paper will be none the wiser. Ugh!
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# 2012-08-02 15:44
Please stop with the use of percentages. Last year If paid Approx. $500 in City School tax, with this it will rise to $1,250. A 150% increase.
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# 2012-08-03 13:47
I agree...Wait till our government starts a war with Iran? Perhaps a new administration will provoke this.Taxes will have to sky rocket.Home schooling my be the only option left..
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# 2012-08-03 08:45
Doesn't sound good to me, where is the monies that were to be saved closing schools? (Milton and Ridge,next year). MORE cuts in after school activities and fees for participation. Good places to start.
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# 2012-08-03 11:03
I have been unemployed for a period, only found part time work and I STILL support the schools. Are there cuts that could be made without compromising the children's education? Maybe. But I also ran a small business and I know how expensive the technology the schools are getting just so our children have a fighting chance in the real world when they graduate. Although chalkboards were fine for my generation, if these kids don't learn how to use all of the software and computers they will be left behind. I support the teachers as I know personally with one of my children that a bad teacher can have a HUGE impact on a child forever! We have some great GREAT teachers in this district and I hope more will stop taking offense to the money issue and see what the district truly needs. I empathize with paying two city taxes, we do as well!
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# 2012-08-03 16:17
Good point,but all of the districts kids don't need all of this tech.
As you read the posts you see that service jobs are starting wane,as did manufacturing decades ago..Schools need to be more market oriented..Look at Southeast Ohio,the tide has come here.We are becoming a fly over state.Look at John Bohners district,once a thriving area, now a virtual wasteland.For this area,its not if but when..
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# 2012-08-03 13:40
Suzzie Belle, you are SO right,there are MANY Teachers that DO NOT live in Bowling Green that teach in Bowling Green ! I know, I work for the schools here. I agree totally, you Teach here, you live here. Same as Police & Fireman & EMTs
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# 2012-08-03 15:38
Right on Jack.
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# 2012-08-03 20:09
No, you will not pay the tax, and how the money gets spent is already a matter of public record, and is made public repeatedly.

You are entitled to your opinion, but have a clue what you are writing about first.
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# 2012-08-05 13:01
Didn't a property tax just pass for BG Schools last time? As a 15+ year resident of BG, I have mostly voted yes for the schools (except the performing arts center - what the heck was that all about?!?!), but wow ... seems like they are getting pretty aggressive now. 0.75% is especially heinous, given we already pay 2% to the city, 5% or so to state, and another 25% or so to federal. Geeze ... might as well just go for 1% BG Schools, so I can fork over one-third of my income every month to income taxes. Whoever is on this school board the last few years has shown to me that they are failing their constituents and are unable to grasp the economic crisis the residents are facing.

I'll be voting NO, and I hope the rest of the community joins me in saying, "Hands off my paycheck!"
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# 2012-08-06 07:22
In fairness to the performing arts center, that has proven to be a very good move. The community as well as the schools needed an auditorium that was flexible and up to modern standards. Anyone who worked with/attended events in the old Jr. High auditorium was confronted with all of the issues that eventually led to the abandonment of that building.
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# 2012-08-06 11:03
BG Local.... the .75%,if passed in November will be added to the present .5% we are paying now,a total of 1.25%.On a 30k income, that comes out to $375 a year. Don't forget your fed taxes will go back up in January (Bush tax cuts expire).Maybe your wife works and earns the same, plan on sending $750 to the school.
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# 2012-08-07 18:56
Preforming Arts Center?How many career type jobs come out of this Zeppelin?Sounds like we have nothing more to spend tax dollars on...Sounds like plain old fluff to me.Lets teach the young people skills they can take to the bank....
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# 2012-08-09 10:50
You have a very narrow view of the purpose of education, and certainly the purpose of arts education. Narrow to the point of celebrating ignorance. By your logic, one shouldn't have to learn to write if one wants to become an accountant, and one shouldn't study history in the schools--for just about any reason. What kind of career type jobs come out of history? They can't all be David McCullough. The music and drama programs at BGCS and in the community serve a central and valuable part of the total educational experience, and you will find very few BG grads who wish they hadn't had them.
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# 2012-08-09 10:52
One of the biggest reason why people without more than a high school education or less than a Bachelor's have such an intensely worse time finding employment is that they narrowed their education to "just the skills they can take to the bank."
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# 2012-08-10 08:50
One more point: the performing arts bring together the skills of discipline, team-work, setting and realization of goals, public speaking and performance, precision in public delivery, and perspective on culture and history (actually to a lesser degree than the other things). On what planet are those things not bankable?

Besides, the Performing Arts Center is already built, so it is no longer an issue.
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# 2012-08-10 12:57
The last time I looked,college grads are in trouble..54% can not find jobs after graduation.Skilled trades are in demand.Do we prepare our students for the new market place?No we don't,stats rule on this subject...
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# 2012-08-10 15:57
The numbers are far worse for non-college grads. Skilled trades also require flexible thinking skills that are not taught if one has a narrow trade-school focus. Too much short term thinking leads to long-term failure. The latest projections are that there will soon be more positions requiring high-level college achievement than there will be people to fill them. Failure to do so will mean the U.S. will fall further behind other first-world nations. Forcing secondary schools into the straightjacket of turning out standardized-test-taking automatons with no extracurricular experience, discipline or interests will not only fail to prepare them for college; it will fail to prepare them for life.
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