To the Editor: Gibsonburg man wants God in the schools
Written by Steve Haslinger   
Wednesday, 20 February 2013 10:41
Our county needs more of the spirit of God in its schools.
Jesus opened up a magnetic spirited highway to heaven when he said, "Love your neighbor as yourself for the love of God." The best way to love your neighbor is to follow His example.
Jesus exemplified God's terrific ability to be humble, because in spite of the fact that God has infinite power and can create a universe for us to enjoy forever and a day, he took on human form as Jesus, lived among us as our brother and gifted us with his Holy Spirit so that he can live in us and among us forever.
All Christians are praying for the families and friends of the 26 victims in Sandy Hook Elementary School. I believe that the spirit of all 26 are in heaven where they can pray for us as much as we are praying for them.
The shooter at Sandy Hook missed the boat and he had no life jacket because he never learned the true meaning of life. His mother should have taken him to church and Sunday school so he would have obtained a good foundation for his relationship with God and learned to love his neighbors as much or even more than himself. Consequently then gaining God's infinite love and rewards for eternity in heaven, all thanks to the magnetic power of our savior Jesus who said, "He who believes in me shall gain eternal life."
Steve Haslinger
Gibsonburg
 

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# 2013-02-20 11:22
This again? Not everyone is a Christian! Not everyone wants to be a Christian! To push Jesus and Christianity into our schools while excluding every other religion is the height of arrogance. Our country was founded on freedom to worship however we choose..or not at all..not have public schools push one over all others. Religion belongs in church..not public schools.
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# 2013-02-20 13:02
I wonder if Mr. Haslinger knows that many of the Sandy Hook victims were Jewish.
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# 2013-02-21 20:22
A little off the subject.I watched ABC news tonight,and the guy arrested at the Woodland Mall a month or so ago was compiling a list of Jewish and Black organizations to assault.I have to say this cat had an impressive arsenal at his disposal,includ ing 40k rounds of ammunition.He looks to be affiliated with a Nazi group.What is creepy,this dude was moving around us as a normal businessman.
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# 2013-02-25 12:01
This is so scary snapper head. This guy was working under our noses and we had no idea. I am so thankful someone stepped forward to uncover this awful fate.
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# 2013-02-21 13:26
Quoting pk:
Religion belongs in church..not public schools.

Then PK, what would you put in place of religion then, to restore morals to an immoral county? Like it or not, the (evil) "Ten Commandments" say it all. It's a sin to kill. It's a sin to steal. It's a sin to covet your neighbors wife. Where BETTER to learn than a public school?
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# 2013-02-21 18:09
It says it is also a "sin" to worship "other gods."

How arbitrary!
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# 2013-02-21 20:08
How about common sense and common decency? You don't need a book written by people after the fact...during a time when people thought the world was flat..and re-interpreted by MAN to reflect what he wants it to say..(and control the masses) to be moral. By the way..we have a Bible study after school here in BG...it's voluntary. Do you think that a Jewish or Muslim student should be forced to study or worship a Christian God?
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# 2013-02-22 07:08
1. It is not at all clear that our county (or country) is "immoral" in the way you suggest. Given some of your posts over the past couple years, Harry, one might even guess you would like the public schools to teach AGAINST homosexuality, Islam, feminism.
2. You don't need the 10 Commandments. Compatible moral and ethical codes exist across all religions and in the secular world as well. Teach ethics, not religion in the schools.
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# 2013-02-25 12:06
Chris, I think good moral values would be a good start with intentions of do unto others as you would want others to do unto you.
I think all religions would support that.
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# 2013-02-20 15:44
I watched a very interesting report last night that explored the life of Adam Lanza. He had a type of autism called Asperger Syndrome. He had felt out of place all his life and had special classes in school. His mother did all she could to help him feel like he fit in. He killed HER first. She is victim 27, the one who never gets mentioned. The problem isn't being Christian, it isn't being Jewish, it isn't guns - it's mental illness. Ted Kazinski (spelling is probably wrong) used bombs. Adam Lanza had a genius IQ. He had learned Mandrin and played a musical instrument. He didn't like change, he couldn't understand it. His mother was planning to sell the house where he had grown up, he felt like his world was being destroyed. Mr. Haslinger, you need to search the facts.
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# 2013-02-21 01:42
To set the record straight,Asperg er Syndrome is not a mental illness.
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# 2013-02-21 12:57
Quoting snapperhead:
To set the record straight,Asperg er Syndrome is not a mental illness.

I believe Bill Gates has Aspergers.
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# 2013-02-21 18:03
Many creative and brilliant people have and have had Asperger's. There are support networks and increasing awareness of the condition and how to work with it. Since that is the only mental condition that Lanza is identified as having, it has been a very subtle and pernicious line of argument to try to link him with Loughner and others. Lately, though, there have been some things of greater concern: that he saw himself as competing with Anders Breivik (who committed mass murder for right-wing political/social reasons) and something said since the crime happened: that the mother had been indulging some survivalist fantasies concerning Obamacare, diversity, etc, and that is why she bought the weapons and had some resentment of the school. We'll never know.
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# 2013-02-21 20:25
Could be facts.Aspergers is fairly common,these days,and I am sure you have interacted with people who have been diagnosed with it.
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# 2013-02-21 01:45
Steve,in America you can pray anywhere you want.What is special about doing it in school?
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# 2013-02-21 13:43
Forcing or expecting other students to behave or worship the same way as 'everyone else' is the problem. Public school means everyone can be included. The schools MUST NOT discriminate or represent dominant values.
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# 2013-02-22 19:55
Snapper head I have a history question. "One Nation under God" what message do you think the founders had in mind? You can argue separation of church and state all day long but this countries foundation was built on it.
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# 2013-02-23 09:31
Which God?
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# 2013-02-23 11:06
Facts,"One Nation under God" means the Christian God.I no longer attend church,but consider myself a Christian.I pray where and when I need to.I walked from the church due to the dishonesty of the Cardinals,and Bishops who covered up Priests crimes.I have been told by those who practice Fundamentalism I am not a Christian.Perhaps I am to much of a free thinker which dose not bide well with the groups.I believe most religions can have a positive effect on peoples lives,but they also separate and divide people.Christians,Jews ,and Muslims all worship the God of Abraham.So why the fuss?
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# 2013-02-23 20:58
FACT:
The United States was NOT founded on Christianity. It was founded on Enlightenment era European Humanism.

FACT:
The phrase, "one nation under god" was added to a developing, "Pledge" as a prayer to the flag in 1953! It was a reactionary pressure from the religious conservatives and Catholics to a contrived fear of "godless communism."

Obviously, your user name, "facts?" is meant for irony.
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# 2013-02-20 16:25
PKU maybe people should word this differently, rather than be Jesus pushers as you state it. Rather they should say people having good morels and values and treat others as you would like to be treated. Oh CW they probably did not know that they are Jewish but even they believe in God just not Jesus.
I won't go any farther because PK will stab me in the back for bible thumping and Jesus talking.
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# 2013-02-21 00:21
And Suzzie, the point is that, sure, the world would be a better place if more people had a stronger spiritual/rational/moral compass in their lives, but Mr. Haslinger proposes a specific religious solution, and that is simply not constitutional. American Muslims frequently find themselves targeted for violence (think of our own mosque), and the Sikhs in Michigan were not killed because of a lack of Jesus as such.

Down the Pike--your points are well-taken, but remember that Asperger's is a fairly common condition as these things go and is best not thought of as mental "illness." The problem with focusing on mental illness as the main issue is that it casts a rather wide net and links conditions that are more and less prone to violent psychopathic behavior.
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# 2013-02-21 20:34
Correct comment on Asperger's Chris.People with Asperger's are not even close to being aggressive in fact they are for the most part very passive.
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# 2013-02-25 12:21
Which Chris PBS leads to mental issues. Confusion in society has been at fault for decades. Add to that all the worldly troubles and physical harm and we have a mess.
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# 2013-02-20 18:18
Not stabbing anyone in the back..everyone is entitled to believe..or not believe..whatever they wish..and that's none of my business. However..good morals and values can be taught..and are being taught..in our schools. The Christian church does not have a monopoly on morals. To say mixing religion with public education is the only way to promote morality and kindness is ridiculous! I don't believe in talking snakes..parting seas..a boat with all animals of the world on it..or stoning to death an unruly child (all Biblical even if you choose to ignore it) but that doesn't mean i'm not a kind, moral. person with values. To the contrary..i've known many religious people..Xtians included..who were rude. hatefull, and inconsiderate. You can't promote Christianity in public schools and exclude everyone that believes differently.
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# 2013-02-21 13:44
EXACTLY, pk
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# 2013-02-25 12:29
Maybe we should include all the religions in the school atmosphere. If we research a majority of the worldly cultures they are basically sound structured beliefs of praising something, we just have to tell students that there are differences. How simple is that?
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# 2013-02-25 17:08
Good social studies curricula do explore questions of history of religion and even reading of sacred texts in a secular context. And HS literature classes usually do have debates about morality (such as when they read things like Antigone, Huck Finn, Grapes of Wrath, or the Scarlet Letter). There are no 1st amendment "separation" provisions to stop that, and I would argue that it is irresponsible not to have moral and ethics as central topics. After all, the history of the Constitution and other foundational documents are taught.

The problems arise when prayer as such is introduced, because that is targeted at the particular faith community and excludes others. Promoting faith is an entirely different issue from promoting understanding.
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# 2013-02-20 18:26
great letter you are so right, we do need the bible in our schools.
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# 2013-02-21 08:13
and the Koran, too, wouldn't you agree?
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# 2013-02-21 13:04
Quoting Christopher Williams:
and the Koran, too, wouldn't you agree?

This is the logic the NRA uses, No changes to gun laws and no religion in school.
I will say it again, religion helps bring a moral compass to some people and that should be a good thing for all.
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# 2013-02-21 18:07
As I said to Suzzie, the world would be a better place with religion, maybe especially with moral and ethical instruction that is not religion-specific (quite possible: the Freemasons are based on that concept). The problem with the LTE is the advocacy of a particular religion. In Wood County schools, there are not just Jews, atheists, and agnostics, but Muslims in small but significant numbers. When you start arguing for the Bible to be put in schools in anything but a literature or non-sectarian religious history class, you are privileging one religion over another--and think about the sectarian divisions among Christians themselves, which have had a bloody, bloody history in the world.
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# 2013-02-25 12:41
Chris, I think you have something there. My grand-daughter was telling me that her social-studies class was going around the world last fall and explaining the different cultures and religions. That's where the schools need to focus their subjects and theories to help young people get the grasp of religions and how different they are. Each family can then choose the right morals.for heir families based on structure. It a lot of situations kids are confused because they don't understand. The family unit has collapsed and kids listen to the media rather than trying to understand religions per say.
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# 2013-02-25 17:09
You understand exactly what I am saying.
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# 2013-02-21 13:50
and the Bhagavad Gita

and the Niebelungenlied

and the Vedas

and the Mabinogion

and the Dead Sea Scrolls

and the Tao Te Ching

and the Ifa Oracles

and the Torah

and the Vinaya Pitaka

and the Diamond Sutra

and especially the Principia Discordia!


If we don't have any one of these, our children will all become terrorists!!!
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# 2013-02-21 17:47
Not everything has to be so extreme, you can paint it that way if it makes you feel better.If you believe a gun clip that hold 10 rounds instead of 20 solves all of the issues and makes you feel better that is your choice.But what about
dynamite
and chemical
and knives
and rocks
and truck of fertilizer
and
and
and excuses for your attacks on organizations that for the most part teach people to be civil which is just as important as teaching them liberal arts.
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# 2013-02-22 09:06
"facts?" there is a reason why when SCOTUS rules on a 1st amendment religion issue it does not also rule on other amendments in order to make their rulings "consistent." And the most conservative member of SCOTUS, Scalia, has opined that the 2nd amendment does not entitle people to military-style weaponry.

It is a completely phony comparison. You seem to be arguing that certain major religions should be discriminated against in order to promote your own.


Your last comment about "liberal arts" is a little clueless (and implies you link it with partisan political liberalism, which would be incorrect). Liberal arts=humanities, and religious studies taught in a secular context is a liberal art.
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# 2013-02-22 19:36
What I am saying is most tolerant religions teach morals and that is more powerful for the safety of our kids then a gun clip that holds 10 rounds vs. 20.
You can point out extreme views on this topic as your defense but those headlines do not represent the majority of people who have these views and our country has been better for it.
I have seen no where in this letter because of the faith of the writer he believes you don't have a right to your own views.
It seems to me he is trying to offer a path to peace vs. hate and if it works for many and it is a benefit to all of us
The writer believes you should change the hearts to help solve the problem. Chris you and "disgusted" believe in a different path that in my opinion is based on your own religion. You may not worship it on Sunday morning but you do worship it.
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# 2013-02-23 08:35
I think you are trying too hard to cast me and "disgusted" as outliers, when at root all we are doing is pointing out that a letter advocating that the writer's own path to religious revelation should be applied to the people in the Sandy Hook tragedy is the height of arrogance. True, he doesn't say that other religions are invalid, but he is advocating the "one true path." And I wish, for once, people would acknowledge as you do that there are many paths. We do not know that the people at Sandy Hook were bereft of faith or even that Lanza and his mother were.

For the record, I am a Christian, so I find that your dismissing my call for broader-based moral thinking as my "own religion" a little offensive.
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# 2013-02-23 21:01
FORCING children to "change their hearts" by religious indoctrination in the schools is fascism. That is what this LTE is about. Religious fascism. You may not feel like it in Sunday morning, but it is what you are practicing.
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# 2013-02-22 15:09
Are you even talking about the same subject here?
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# 2013-02-20 19:12
Bible thumping garbage.

When does the sent-trib ever print a nice, rational, separation-of-church-and-state LTE?? Hmmm?

Steve Haslinger is just another quack from the religious reicht. Sick.
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# 2013-02-21 13:07
Quoting Disgusted:
Bible thumping garbage.

When does the sent-trib ever print a nice, rational, separation-of-church-and-state LTE?? Hmmm?

Steve Haslinger is just another quack from the religious reicht. Sick.

Yea separation of church and State and the right to bare arms, All arms right? You can't be a little pregnant. Don't forget Free Speech!
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# 2013-02-22 11:32
People have a right to bare arms, but it is generally not very wise in the middle of winter.
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# 2013-02-22 19:59
Chris
Thanks for the grammar humor! With your help I hope to improve!
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# 2013-02-21 14:40
I am really happy God gave us Disgusted as he really makes me look totally sane and rational. Other than the fact Disgusted is a closet whatever - he/she (likely one in the same) is invited to write a nice, rational, separation of church and state LTE if he were capable and believed in his own dribble. The Sentinel allows opinion and even Disgusted in his ranting / postings. God please help those who can't help themselves like Disgusted who needs your mercy along with everyone else forgiving him for being so critical of everything and anything.
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# 2013-02-21 18:13
Phil, NOTHING makes you look sane and rational. Nice try.

Rational LTE's have no room because the sent-trib is selecting garbage like yours to print instead, for some biased reason. They've never printed a single one of my letters and they are far far more eloquent and rational than anything you have written. Ever.

Signed,
- a Proud "Closet Whatever"
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# 2013-02-21 23:27
The Sentinel didn't post my reply, just like it prints your letters and not mine.
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# 2013-02-21 17:06
the only garbage is what you post,i thump my bible every day and love it.
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# 2013-02-22 09:07
Tony, do you think it is garbage to respect any religion other than Christianity?
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# 2013-02-23 21:03
Come on Chris, bible thumpers NEVER respect the religion of any one else. They believe their ignorance and emotion is better than anyone else's right to even live.
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# 2013-02-21 09:15
Disgusted I doubt anyone who wants a rational debate would be involved. Our history is neck deep in religion and anything but separable, your particular flavor of religion included.

This world was setup to be governed by natural laws and one of them is to Love the Lord your God, just a fact with real consequences, if it wasn't God would've been gone a long time ago.

When man forbids God from involvement, man abuses this world and everything in it and causes this world to react violently. If it wasn't for God holding things together in spite of our best efforts, this world would self destruct in the blink of an eye.

Ever read the Star Spangled Banner, all four (we only recite one) verses penned 38 years after our independence?
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# 2013-02-21 13:40
gargie, spare us more religious garbage. Stop dictating what others do or practice through your arbitrary imposed mythology. I choose not to participate along with the rest of the human race moving forward. You are a shrinking minority.

I don't care about the religion of Francis Scott Key nor do I care about your silly 'our country was founded by Jeezis lovers' charade either.

It is all completely irrelevant and meaningless.

Our history is neck deep in ignorance and brutality. Time to move on. Silly god-rituals in the schools are not going to make our kids better scientists for the future.
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# 2013-02-27 07:39
Quoting Disgusted:
gargie, spare us more religious garbage.

Spare you? I was responding to you, not you me. If you don't want to be responded too (spared) don't post on an opinion page. FWIW I'll spare you, but what I said won't.
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# 2013-02-27 12:17
Oh boo-hoo! Another mystical innuendo of divine threat! How shallow.

Gargie, I only hope for responses where a rational conversation can be had. You fail on all accounts. By "spare me," I meant don't waste my time with shallow your religious mumbo-jumbo.

You are free to worship ignorance in your home. In public you have to deal with the consequences.
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# 2013-02-27 19:34
Quoting Disgusted:
You are free to worship ignorance in your home. In public you have to deal with the consequences.


Thanks for your permission, it means a lot.I'm also free to worship in public as I please, but if it offends your sensitive nature, I'm sorry.

PS FWIW I'm not just replying to you, I'm publishing to the world, I speak to many and many listen. Thanks for the opportunity.
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# 2013-02-28 14:28
Many are laughing. Especially at offensive public displays of dark-ages ignorance.

Thanks for the giggles. Keep it up. You are promoting secular humanism without trying. Tee-hee. You'll do well to get used to the laughter.
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# 2013-02-21 20:03
God..and religion in general..were created by man in order to try and explain things in life that can't be explained..to answer questions with no answers..to help cope with the fear of eventual death. I see no evidence of a God as described in the Bible...he hasn't appeared to anyone! If something good happens..it;s thanks to God..if something bad happens..it's God's will! Bad things happen to good people.and bad people get away with murder and live charmed lives...yet the devout credit an invisible man in the sky with anything and everything..well..except for the mean ol' devil who leads us to Sin! Ridiculous! Maybe unfaithful women and unruly children or people working on Sunday should be stoned to death? The Bible says so! How can any sane rational person accept this nonsense? I mean besides picking the parts you WANT to believe...
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# 2013-02-21 14:37
Love thy neighbor as thyselves. Unless your skin is a different color, you pray to a different God, or you love someone we don't want you to love. Those neighbors should be shunned and abused.
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# 2013-02-22 07:12
Sarcasm well taken. The Golden Rule (which is more along the lines of "do unto others as you would have done unto you") is the most central to any religion on the planet, yet strangely is the hardest to observe, as LTEs like this so roundly demonstrate. Calls for religion to be put "back" in schools, especially when proposed as a solution to worldly problems ALWAYS morph into "my religion, not yours." That's why the separation (non-establishment) was built into the Constitution.
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# 2013-02-21 16:29
I agree but Politics and the Law U think they are above God will not let this happen thus we need to Vote people in who have know money with common sense - God Bless the Sick and Evil for they do not care.
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# 2013-02-21 17:02
Gosh, Mr. Haslinger, you act as if you think there is only one form of God. Some of us are Wiccans, you know. So let's also be sure to put Pan and Diana back into the schools, just to be fair.
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# 2013-02-23 21:04
That's what *I'M* saying!
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# 2013-02-21 19:43
If you people who want to bring religion into schools were so so "Christian", the mere presence of your child in a school would be enough. They would see the example the good little "Christian" would set. We don't need laws or mandates for your kids to be good people.
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# 2013-02-22 09:09
Spot on (if without the barbs).

The strongest argument for virtue is living the virtuous life and illustrating what it means. Not indoctrination, particularly if indoctrination involves imposing one set of beliefs on people who do not share them.
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# 2013-02-22 20:27
Sharing of one beliefs is not indoctrination, an example of indoctrination watch MSNBC for a month straight. You will believe debt is a great thing and people who want to have abortions a week before giving birth our doing nothing wrong. Another example is listening to a professor standing at a pulpit filling naive kids with their beliefs for 4 years. Not all but some of these kids grow up to be just as dangerous as the professors that they worship.It may not have a cross on top of it but some sell some nasty lemonade.
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# 2013-02-23 08:43
Well, you just proved that you have never watched MSNBC for very long. Maybe you have just watched out-of-context statements by commenters reposted to some conservative website. Or spent much time in a college classroom. Professors don't "fill naïve kids with their beliefs." They present subject material and train "kids" to analyze that material rationally and critically. If a professor ever spent time just dictating "beliefs," fact-checking, the skepticism of students, and their ability to recognize the difference between good, sourced information and garbage would end their careers.

Or, maybe I mistake you. Maybe you think that rationalism and humanism are "religions."
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# 2013-02-23 11:24
Facts?,America is in trouble,so what is your position and fix?Authority,Relig ious discipline, Austerity,Genoc ide of those less fortunate, Foreign Wars?The present system in America is not working for its citizens,time for radical change.Do you agree?Looks like we need to get back to basics.Please tell me what basics mean to you..Snapperhead..
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# 2013-02-24 10:21
Snap
I agree America is in trouble, so the author points back to something that has served us well in the past. Austerity is coming no matter what you and I argue about. The question is when we are willing to look in the mirror and deal with it.
Again we can argue all day long if Genocide is already happening right here in America. I believe if we continue down the road of Greece that Obama care health boards will have to make some tuff choices on our baby boomer generation.

I don't think looking at systems that have failed everywhere for the most part as the answer to fix this republic.This does not mean what we have done in the past is perfect nothing is because it is govern by humans. But it reminds of something my dad use to say. "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water" which to me, that is radical.
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# 2013-02-24 13:35
Uh-Oh, are we going down the "death panels" path again? You know that the (bs) "death panels" already exist, dont you? They are called insurance. Why do you think they arent doing heart transplants on 95 year old men? Because someone at an insurance company or the AMA has to decide if this procedure is worth doing. Thats how the system works now. Your death panels talk makes you seem quite ignorant.
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# 2013-02-25 09:06
Under Obama you can rest assure you won't be having conversations about 95 year old men.
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# 2013-02-25 11:32
and to think that the "death panels" were Politifact's "Lie of the Year" for 2010.

Facts? you are paranoid and scared and have no clue of what has already been happening under our private health insurance system, pre-Obamacare.
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# 2013-02-24 13:59
1. No responsible economists suggest that the US situation bears any resemblance to Greece.
2. The leading, economically most healthy nations of the Eurozone, including Germany, are finding a way to finance universal health care and are not dismantling the system or seeing it as a cause of their economic woes.
3. In the UK and Spain, austerity is being pin-pointed as the bigger problem, more than long-term debt, in unemployment. And Berlusconi is mounting a comeback in Italy as an anti-austerity candidate.
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# 2013-02-25 09:04
Christopher

You love to bring up Germany as your one positive example. Germany has been attacked by liberals for not lending money to Greece without Austerity. I guess asking people to work past 50 is a issue to most of Europe, while Germany excepts the fact you most work longer to keep the system running.
I think Germany helps prove the faults of your perfect utopia.
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# 2013-02-25 17:11
I am not talking about any "perfect utopia." The point is that with all the discussion of austerity in Europe--and Germany has ordered austerity on a number of other countries--no one has been talking about dismantling national health care--because, in effect, and as they have implemented it there, it is cost effective and provides excellent access.
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# 2013-02-23 21:08
Seriously, 'facts?' is paranoid.

DANGEROUS professors? Are you kidding?

I'll take the most biased academic over any bible-thumper on any given day on any given issue. Stupid is dangerous.
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# 2013-02-23 10:30
This letter is so stupid I do not even know where to start. If you want your kids to have more religion in their life the choice is simple. Go to church and take them with you. Enroll them in the classes your church offers on Sundays. Another option is for you to enroll them in a private school like St. Al. in Bowling Green. But never should you try to force your beliefs upon others.
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# 2013-03-09 16:25
OG, right on ! My parents sent us through St. Al's, and we paid to go there, as well as they supported all the public schools too ! Double dip, yes, but, we got our education, and religion as well. As LOTS of people do not want just any teacher teaching Religion to their child. So, if that's what you want, send your children to private schools.
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# 2013-02-25 15:59
Please don't make the assumption that those who are not Christian are not good people. They still can have morales and help others, just as Christians do. Being close-minded about these people is not something that God would want you to do anyways.

I consider myself to be Agnostic yet I volunteer for multiple organizations, bought a needy child that I don't know Christmas presents this year, and helped someone pay for their groceries a couple of months ago.

Additionally, lets remember all of the people that were killed in the name of Catholicism and other religions. Please open your mind and realize that no one is perfect, not even Christians.
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# 2013-03-09 16:25
EXACTLY !!
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