To the Editor: Congress is urged to maintain existing estate tax provisions
Written by John C. "Jack" Fisher   
Wednesday, 28 November 2012 10:35
The American dream isn't about working hard, investing wisely and spending sensibly in order to leave something for Uncle Sam.  But farmers and other family business owners will be required to do just that unless Congress acts to maintain existing provisions of the federal estate tax.
When it's time to meet our maker, what's left behind should be for our kids, not the IRS. A Tax Foundation survey of more than 2,000 Americans rated estate taxes the most unfair of all taxes. Sixty-four percent of Ohioans supported last year's elimination of the state's death tax.
Nobody likes Washington double-dipping. Farmers and family business owners have already paid income, sales, capital gains, real estate and sometimes even previous estate taxes on everything they've built over a lifetime. A tax that exists just to tax again is just plain wrong.
This is also a jobs issue. Farm and family business earnings are poured back into land, buildings and equipment, which boosts the local economy, but often leaves insufficient cash to pay the death tax when the owner passes away. Heirs are forced to sell all or part of their heritage to cover the government's covetous tab, which results in fewer local businesses to hire local people. Overly burdensome taxes kill jobs.
When a lifetime of paying taxes comes to an end, fairness demands legacies be handed down to families, not handed over to the tax man. Please join Ohio Farm Bureau in asking Congress to maintain existing provisions of the federal estate tax.
John C. "Jack" Fisher
Executive vice president
Ohio Farm Bureau Federation
 

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# 2012-11-28 11:00
The trick is to give to your children before you pass.Sell land to your kids for pennies on the dollar etc.Do as the ultra rich do,they don't pay 35%-50% of their estates to the IRS.
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# 2012-11-28 13:39
The Estate Tax should be 100%! Otherwise, lazy children will just live off of the hard work of their parents and will have no incentive to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps. Inheritance is just welfare for rich kids!
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# 2012-11-28 14:29
The estate tax is just another attempt of Obama's redistribution of wealth. He is dragging this country down one idea at a time.
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# 2012-11-28 19:03
Which is why Obama invented the estate tax?

Your blind bubble-think really exists divorced from time, space, and reality, doesn't it?

Notice that the word "Obama" or even "this administration" never appeared before you mentioned it.

The number of people affected by the estate tax is truly minuscule, affecting only a tiny portion of those whom lunatics of the right will convince that this is a dangerous issue.
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# 2012-11-29 10:42
Sorry, Obama's desire to reinstate, raise and abuse the estate tax ...
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# 2012-11-28 19:27
The estate tax was there long before Obama became President.
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# 2012-11-29 10:43
We know, it's about the left's desire to use it as a weapon of class warfare.
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# 2012-11-28 16:41
I could not agree more with Mr. Fisher. Good letter!
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# 2012-11-29 09:53
The supposed purpose of the inheritance tax is to prevent the accumulation of wealth and property by the few. If the heirs of the family farm or small business do not have the money to pay the tax they often sell it, to someone who has more money than they do. The unintended consequence of the law being more wealth and property accumulated by the few; the exact opposite of the supposed intent.

Or the heirs over-extend financially to pay the tax, putting the family farm or small-business at risk. If farm or small-business fails the family loses its wealth, and the prosperity of the community is diminished.

Or maybe it’s really about politicians and bureaucrats having more money to do with as they think best, and they don’t care who gets hurts in the process.
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# 2012-12-11 07:31
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The supposed purpose of the inheritance tax is to prevent the accumulation of wealth and property by the few.


True, because the few were tyrants with the peoples freedoms instead of a protector of it. They by their actions caused a third party (government) to get involved and regulate. Just the addition of a third party without that third party being highly inefficient means everything involved will cost more while infringing more on personal freedom. The answer to the estate tax is to remove governments ability to regulate and that can only happen when the people love their neighbor. Not likely right?
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# 2012-11-29 12:05
Sensible people could easy devise an estate tax that protects most family farms and small businesses. Farmers and small businesspeople are just tools of the super-rich, many of whom will do anything to avoid paying taxes.

If you inherited your fortune, you didn't actually "earn" anything. Low estate taxes just encourage the expansion of a parasite class that lives off inheritances.
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# 2012-11-29 14:11
The "class warfare" rant of the right wing Rpblcns is laughable. Its used by rpblcns to confuse everyoine, on tax issues. Rediculous, and without merit.
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# 2012-11-29 15:27
Now, let's address capital gains...
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# 2012-11-29 17:07
Actually you guys are all right. It just depends on which side of the table you are on. If you stand to inherit a family farm or nice estate then one wouldn't want to pay everything you receive in taxes becaue you feel you earned it from the hard work of your family etc. If your family is worth noting than so what. What would be fair is an across the bd. 1% to all estates then everyone pays and one is not raped to the hilt.
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# 2012-11-30 19:18
Zero % is even more fair....
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# 2012-12-01 16:35
Maybe these people should pay back all the subsidies, price supports and tax breaks they got all those years. All taxpayer money. Time to pay it back.
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# 2012-12-01 23:28
Remember Brutus that actually the ones farming gets the farm extras, they can't push that off on all the family members, especially the members that don't farm. The other children don't get those price supports.
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# 2012-12-03 13:57
Jazzier - actually, not quite correct. They get paid NOT to farm it! Take a look sometime at the public record on payments at http://farm.ewg.org/addrsearch.php?s=yup&stab=&city=&zip=43402&z=See+Recipients&last=&first=&stab=AL&fullname=&stab2=AL
I'm sure everyone will recognize at least a few people they know that have never farmed a day in their lives or else haven't farmed in many, many years. They just happen to own some farm land.
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# 2012-12-04 14:22
Probably because, they moved away and prosued other interests in life. Some of those people are the girls of the family. It's not their faults they were born, they are entitled to their family fortunes. Stop and think a lot of families don't get along after they grow-up, but does that make them less entitled? Spouces can persuade many decisions that cause fights within the family unit that breaks up future choices. I know of many families that way.
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# 2012-12-05 11:32
Quoting sizzle bell:
Probably because, they moved away and prosued other interests in life. Some of those people are the girls of the family. It's not their faults they were born, they are entitled to their family fortunes. Stop and think a lot of families don't get along after they grow-up, but does that make them less entitled? Spouces can persuade many decisions that cause fights within the family unit that breaks up future choices. I know of many families that way.

That's fine if they chose not to farm the land but why should we taxpayers subsidize them for not something they have no intention of doing anyway?
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# 2012-12-05 04:53
Estate taxes are inherently immoral.

If someone is able to accumulate wealth throughout their life despite the existing tax burden, to allow the government to tax that accumulated wealth a second time is just wrong.

Is it really the role of government to decide winners and losers by attempting to control the accumulation of wealth by a few, especially when they fail miserably at that goal as discussed by others above? Shouldn't government's role be setting a level playing field where all can strive and succeed or fail on their own merits? So much of the bureaucracy we pay so grossly for seems now focused on the former, not the latter.
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# 2012-12-05 08:34
The estate tax affects far fewer people than people think it does. To answer your rhetorical question with another one, why is it that the same people who so ardently protest taxes borne by the very wealthiest among us--even if it is about making them pay an effective tax that is proportional to what other people pay--are the most ardently opposed to programs that actually DO level the playing field. While it cannot and should not be legislated away, the fact is that the extreme income inequality in our nation is unsustainable and has been built at the expense of the middle class and working poor, whose real incomes were stagnant or declined from 2000, even while the wealthiest saw their incomes skyrocket.
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# 2012-12-05 08:47
And, just to be clear that I am not attacking Defender's faulty understanding of the historical roots of fascism as some uncritical defender of the left: we all know that communism, with all of its totalitarian crimes againt humanity, is the product of leftist extremism. Both communism and fascism are totalitarian extremes based on total governmental control that are unacceptable in a liberal democratic republic such as the US, but they are rooted in polar opposites: communism is at root a bottom-up movement couched in the lionization of the worker and the common man; fascism is a top-down movement based on the idea of social control, imposition of a unifying spiritual ideology, and alliance with capitalist corporations.
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# 2012-12-05 08:48
sorry; the last was a response to a post by Defender on a different LTE.
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# 2012-12-05 09:38
How can there be a level playing field when a parasitical class of rich kids start out life with millions of dollars in inheritance when the vast majority of us inherit virtually nothing? If your parents gave you the money, you didn't earn anything. Inheritances are welfare for rich kids.
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# 2012-12-06 03:36
So, your implied position is: because the rest of us don't get an inheritance, those that saved their after-tax money through their life should forfeit it?

Said another way: "If I'm not lucky enough to have parents who saved for the future and have something to pass on to me, then nobody should have that."

Really? Is that what our country has devolved to? Envy of what others have driving a greed to seize it from them?

Those folks who leave an inheritance typically were not also recipients of great wealth themselves. They earned it through a lifetime of hard work and some level of frugality. Their incomes were taxed like the rest of us as they built their wealth. To then tax it again when they no longer have a voice in the matter (after death), is immoral and wrong.
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# 2012-12-06 09:38
There is nothing immoral about taxes. Taxes are the price we pay for public goods, like schools, roads, and police. Income inequality on the scale that it exists in the U.S. today is immoral.

I have listened to right-wing crap my entire life regarding how government "handouts" discourage hard work. I'll repeat: if you inherited something, you absolutely did not earn it. Perhaps, your parents earned it. Perhaps, they inherited it as well. That really makes no difference. What is your incentive to work if you are living off the fruits of your parents or grandparents labor?

Your "double-taxation" argument is nonsensical for reasons that cannot be explained in 800 characters.
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# 2012-12-06 10:38
One pays taxes on wages earned. They pay taxes on dividends, interest, capital gains, etc. They likely pay sales tax on items they purchase, and pay property taxes on that which they own. They paid Social Security and Medicare taxes as insurance against insolvency and medical calamity.

After all that, they are able to put away some money, as my parents would say, " to take care of us in our old age". If, at the end of that old age there is any left over, to tax it again is simply double taxation. How is that "nonsensical? All they earned up to that point was taxed at the prevailing rates, so to take more from what is left over, and when their vote is no longer possible, is what I am talking about. And yes, THAT taxation is immoral, and it is wrong.
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# 2012-12-07 00:10
Taxes are generally assessed when an economic transaction occurs. Someone pays a worker, buys a product, sells an asset. An inheritance IS a transfer from one person to another. The fact that they may be family members is irrelevant. Save all you want for your old age. YOU won't be paying estate taxes. Your heirs, who did nothing to create that wealth will be paying them.

No one deserves to have rich parents. If you are so fortunate, great. But be prepared to pay at least as much tax on unearned inheritance income as I do on the money that I worked for us. Anything less is scandalous.
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# 2012-12-06 13:50
So why is it ok to charge tax on a used car? Didn't someone already pay the tax on it when they bought it new? I realize this is sales tax and not income tax but it's basically the same argument - double taxation. I've never understood this.
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# 2012-12-06 15:23
I agree, bggirl.

Check out "The Fair Tax", a concept discussed in a book by Rep. Linder (R-GA) and Neal Boortz. Their concept, as discussed in the book, would replace all our federal taxes with a tax on the retail purchase of goods.

The sale of those items once used, would be tax free, as would all the intermediate steps going from raw materials to the finished goods. There would be no taxes embedded in the products, only the tax on the final, new, retail purchase. It is a convincing, and easy, read.
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# 2012-12-06 22:07
Neal Boortz, really.

No, thank you.

Those ideas are bankrupt.

This explains a lot about you.

This would make retail goods the province of the elites as those taxes would be a higher burden on the poor than on the rich.
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# 2012-12-07 09:22
Well, Brian, that just shows that you are not interested in considering anything if it comes from a "wrong" source.

The Fair Tax, by the way, addresses your concern about the burden differential by issuing everyone a "pre-bate" that is equal to the amount of taxes that a person/family at the poverty line would be expected to pay for the items they require to live.

For me, the positive elements of The Fair Tax include a one-tax solution (vs the coctail we currently have), everyone (including tourists and illegal aliens) pays, it is consumption based, is simple and easily complied with, self-determined based on one's own purchase decisions, and does not embed layer upon layer of taxes on a good or service.

But, Brian, you wouldn't know any of that, because of your blinders.
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# 2012-12-07 11:20
any tax that is based on consumption is likely to raise the taxes charged on the items taxed, and in the instance of items that are necessary, such as gasoline and clothing, is likely to fall as a percentage of income hardest on those who can least afford it. Despite all the derisive talk about the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes, frequently people below the poverty line pay more in overall taxes as a percentage of their income than people who make more money. That's why the graduated income tax was invented 100 years ago and why "fair" and other flat taxes have often been deemed regressive.
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# 2012-12-07 14:45
In the book on the subject, the authors assert that by eliminating all the embedded taxes along the way, the one substantial tax at retail (approx 23% if I recall correctly) is just about a wash.

And, as I said in my response to dear Brian, by providing a "pre-bate" to all taxpayers equal to the amount of tax a person/family at the poverty line would pay, this compensates for the arguement of extreme regression in the lowest level of income. Beyond sustance, in the abstract, all other expenditures are optional, and therefore the consumption beyond that level of existance is optional, as is paying the associated tax.

Beyond existing at the poverty level, if you don't want to pay a tax, don't consume. Pretty simple.

(Note: stating all this from memory, it has been several years since reading the book.)
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# 2012-12-07 09:25
Quoting Brian:


Those ideas are bankrupt.

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Just because you say so, Brian, does not make it so. But I guess you think if you mock people enough, they will shut up and go away.

The Fair Tax may be flawed, but until you debate something on its merits, rather than just mock and belittle, we will never know. I suspect that is exactly what you seek to do.
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# 2012-12-11 14:45
I don't need to mock you, Defender. Neil Boortz is a joke unto himself. I'm glad it's 'easy to read' for you, though.

I don't want you to go away either, you are demonstrating why capitalism does not work for us.

Your Boortz 'pre-bate' system would still restrict access to common goods to those ABOVE the poverty level (which is outdated). No final, new, retail products for poor folks, right? We should just crawl back to our cardboard boxes and eat government cheese at "mere sustenance" levels? In the wealthiest nation on Earth, which was built by slaves and the poor (NOT the wealthy)?

Why would I be interested in considering THAT?

There are many other alternatives that YOU are not considering, with YOUR blinders.
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# 2012-12-06 15:25
Back to your car question, not only do some states charge a sales tax on used car purchases, but some will also charge a pro-rata sales tax when you bring your own car into their state and register it... if Ohio Sales Tax is 3% and Virginia is 6%, VA will charge the difference when you move to Virginia and register the car there, even if you've owned the car for a year or more!

This got me long ago, when I purchased a car "tax free" overseas through NATO car sales. When I brought it to Virginia, they wanted to charge me sales tax on the purchase value of the vehicle, even though it was now "used" and previously registered elsewhere.

Just another example of politicians seeking any and all sources of revenue to fund ever-increasing spending.
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# 2012-12-06 16:51
... and a question: it's been a long time since I purchased anything in the states at a "second hand" store. Do they charge sales tax? I honestly can't remember.
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# 2012-12-08 17:02
defender, the debate has been on the merits. You just refuse to accept the merits.
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