To the Editor: Arming teachers is not the answer
Written by Tom Morgan   
Wednesday, 23 January 2013 10:17
Protecting our school children by using armed teachers is going to take a little bit of thought and preparation.  If our teachers are to be successful they have to be better equipped and trained than the bad guy(s).
First off, we must plan for the worst scenario in which the bad guy(s) will have high-power assault weapon(s) with large capacity clips.  Our teachers will need a rifle with no less than the same firepower and a 2x larger magazine. The same goes for the ratio of size and capacity between side arms of bad guy(s) vs teacher.
It is entirely possible that the bad guy(s) will be wearing body armor, which is available on the open market. Not to be outdone, our teachers must be likewise equipped with adequate body armor. Every day on the news we see our combat soldiers in Afghanistan wearing world-class combat armor.  There should be enough military hardware available (helmet included) to outfit our brave teachers.
In previous attacks some of the school shooters have used explosives during their attacks so it makes just good common sense to have teachers equally equipped by carrying whatever hand grenades or RPGs as will be required to take out the bad guy(s).
Throughout any such ordeal the teachers will be expected to retain control of traumatized students and render guidance and assistance while shielding them.  Maintaining an emotional connection with the kids while fully equipped will be a real challenge for the teachers.  Perhaps some kind of make-up (happy face?) or colorful creative body armor painting would help.  That kind of class participation might make a good project to help students deflect combat stress brought on by an attack.
Tom Morgan
Bowling Green
 

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# 2013-01-23 10:22
Excellent sarcasm, and a fine point indeed!

Teachers are not soldiers. Educational environments shall remain weapon-free.
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# 2013-01-23 11:20
And yet some of the same people calling for arming teachers complain when teachers are not having their salaries and benefits cut, complain when they get salary increases as a reward for pursuing advanced degrees, and insist there are multitudes of warm bodies ready to take their places and do just as good a job. Oh, and teachers are lazy part-timers. The ironies are priceless.
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# 2013-01-24 14:48
Lord Williams the all knowing is attempting to justify the big time entitlement crowd who don't work all year and that is called part time. Recent wage freezes after years of ridculious wages is a joke. Just the administrative cost for Perrysburg is 1.7 million dollars with most making around $90k. Should they all take a 15% pay cut you could hire about 5 frontline value added teachers at over $50 each. Getting paid for multiple degrees is obviously not improving our education position in the World. How many degrees someone like Lord Williams means nothing as compared to preparing students to get real jobs and results of their education experience. Just because Lord William claims he has a higher level of knowledge does not mean he can teach. Concealed carry is part of the solution.
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# 2013-01-24 17:57
Phil, what's your educational background? You love to make fun of me for knowing what I am talking about. It's pretty nasty. I don't call you names, and this isn't a pre-school sandbox.

BTW, Masters degrees in the world of education mean a lot, especially for educational specialists. Your statement that they are "obviously not improving our education position in the world" is 100% false. Do some research, man. Our international competitors regularly encourage their teachers to get advanced training. When I taught in the Vienna, Austria school system, the two senior members of the English department in the gymnasium where I worked both had PhDs.

What is holding us back is all the standardized testing and the...attitudes of people like Mr. Caron.
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# 2013-01-25 08:22
Lord Williams has bragged about his higher level of knowledge providing him with the appropriate title he has earned. He forgets all his name calling with idiot, stupid, amoung many other definitions of me - but that was okay being he is all knowing. The only thing that is guaranteed to improve with Masters and PhDs is his paycheck. It is a known fact many great sports figures can't coach and the same goes for educators. One of the greatest comments from an educator was Board of Education President Debe Terhar calling Obama's gun control similar to the practices of a certain Nazi leader. His next step will be going house to house without a search warrant and rounding up those who don't agree with Obama-speak. Testing is not the true measure as the success of a person in his area of study after graduation is the only measure.
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# 2013-01-26 08:26
Phil, all you do is complain about me being a "know-it-all," when all I do is provide factual information. You DO have a prejudice against educated people, because it seems that you just want to tear them down for being educated. You also have a very heavy chip on your shoulder about educators in general.

I just wonder where it is coming from.

It sounds like the kind of things that Limbaugh and Hannity like to say about professors, etc., though they tend to express themselves in a more polite and educated manner (despite the fact that both were college dropouts).

And: You never answer the question about your educational background. Did you even go to college?
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# 2013-01-26 08:30
re: your Obama--Nazi comment and the educator who said it.
That is in itself an ignorant comment, whether it came from you or the educator. A couple weeks ago I took pains to explain that, citing actual laws from the period: the Nazis took advantage of loosened gun control laws to intimidate their way into taking power, and they had the most aggressively pro-gun/pro-weapons policy in the Western world. They only confiscated guns from the peoples they conquered or the people they declared to be non-citizens.

So: again: do some research, man, and don't just spout stuff you heard passively in your little right-wing bubble.

And, if you don't want to be thought of as stupid, start saying smart things.
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# 2013-01-25 17:30
Phil,do you conceal carry?If so why?
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# 2013-01-23 13:04
And maybe we should keep demonizing them as lazy all the while! Maybe make them take a pay cut and buy their own gun and ammo and body armor! Oh yeah..and bust that teachers union while we are at it!
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# 2013-01-23 19:04
Tom,how about holding school in bunkers?
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# 2013-01-23 20:51
Can you imagine if we decided to protect our kids from fire, we simply put a uniformed fire fighter in front of the building and told him he/she is not permitted to use a hose or fire extinguisher if a fire were to erupt?

We need take safety seriously. Ever notice how when someone starts shooting, be it in a movie theater or at a school, we call somebody with a gun (the police) to stop them?
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# 2013-01-24 08:37
Lets open a can of worms,and investigate what police will do in schools.Get some vision on this Wesson.
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# 2013-01-24 12:56
I can just hear the complaints about paying a cop to stand in a school all day long doing nothing while real crime goes on elsewhere. Maybe we can have them teach or be Custodians since they are already here.....
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# 2013-01-24 10:07
Schools are far more likely to catch on fire than to have a deranged killer attack. No sensible person would argue that we need firefighters in every school or even to train all of the teachers to fight fires.

The Newtown Massacre was a tragedy, but, thankfully, such events are extremely uncommon. Let's not turn our schools into armed camps out of fears that are completely out of proportion to the real threats.
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# 2013-01-24 11:21
Especially when communities are unwilling to pay teachers to do what they are trained to do in the first place.
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# 2013-01-25 19:00
What communities around hear don't pay their teachers fairly?
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# 2013-01-26 13:50
They do pay them fairly, but look at all the people posting on this site to say that they are paid too much, get too many benefits, get too many "unfair" salary increases (like for getting masters degrees) have too much discretion about what they do in the classroom, etc. ..
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# 2013-01-26 23:52
"here"

h-e-r-e

Seriously, the public reads this stuff. Try a little.

MOST of the communities around h-e-r-e don't pay their teachers fairly for the work they do at all.
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# 2013-01-27 10:24
Brian

Yes, I struggle with my grammar and thanks for the correction. I will try to improve so I can offer alternate view points vs. main stream thinking. Please feel free to point out my mistakes as I am always looking to improve myself.
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# 2013-01-28 09:40
Try to stop offering incorrect and blatantly false "alternative" viewpoints for a start.
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# 2013-01-29 08:39
Quoting Brian:
Try to stop offering incorrect and blatantly false "alternative" viewpoints for a start.

What communities around here don't pay their teachers fairly?
The above was a question not a view point.As usual on this siteQuoting Brian:
Try to stop offering incorrect and blatantly false "alternative" viewpoints for a start.

Chris says"Especially when communities are unwilling to pay teachers to do what they are trained to do in the first place." I just asked the question, give me a example?
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# 2013-01-29 16:45
Q:""What communities around here don't pay their teachers fairly?"

A:Most of them, especially in the economically impoverished districts.

Example: go look up how often school levies get turned down.
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# 2013-01-30 12:52
Again, Name a school in Wood County and how much you feel they should be paid? We can then look up the pay scale and argue the real numbers vs. people on this site who hope their remarks and babble gain traction.
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# 2013-01-31 08:35
You, "facts?" my friend, are a shining example, because you always complain about how overpaid teachers are and how cushy their benefits.
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# 2013-01-31 11:37
Quoting Christopher Williams:
You, "facts?" my friend, are a shining example, because you always complain about how overpaid teachers are and how cushy their benefits.

As usual Chris you make stuff up and spin to push your agenda.I did not say such a thing, In fact I point out that you are pushing the opposite narrative, you complain above that teachers are not paid for what they do.
Again answer my question, you say teachers in this area are not paid for what they do, give me a example? Stand by your words, Put up or shut up!
Don't worry, I expect your normal babble for a answer.
For the record I think most teachers are paid fairly for their services.
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# 2013-01-31 15:41
You clearly don't interact with very many teachers.

Go look at Lake district or Rossford.

VERY VERY underpaid.
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# 2013-02-01 11:36
Quoting Brian:
You clearly don't interact with very many teachers.

Go look at Lake district or Rossford.

VERY VERY underpaid.

I admit because I am busy that I have not spent a lot of time on the info. listed below. Rossford spent 11,582 dollars per student according to to this web site in 2009
http://www.localschooldirectory.com/public-school/66708/OH
The site below show the US out pacing the world in spending on students at 7743.00 per student.
http://rossieronline.usc.edu/u-s-education-versus-the-world-infographic/
I am proud by the way that we lead the world in this area.
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# 2013-02-01 15:33
Since you are so good at looking up stuff on the internet, how much to Americans spend per prisoner?

Just curious.
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# 2013-02-04 10:22
Quoting Brian:
Since you are so good at looking up stuff on the internet, how much to Americans spend per prisoner?

Just curious.


It has nothing to do with education cost, you might as well bring health care, food and defense spending in to change the subjectQuoting Brian:
Since you are so good at looking up stuff on the internet, how much to Americans spend per prisoner?

Just curious.



Sorry, I don't get your comparison? Am I talking to Chris? Do you want to bring Health care,food and fuel into the conversation as well? Possibly talk about the migration of ducks and how this effects rap music?
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# 2013-02-04 16:54
The point I think Brian makes is that we spend more per year per prisoner than we spend more per year per student. The reason why we spend so much per student has to do with unfunded mandates, testing services, and things other than the raw cost of instruction (i.e. teacher salaries/benefits). European countries spend less on education and get better results, in part because health care is universal and worked out separately from benefits, in part because of the lack of these other expenses.
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# 2013-01-31 18:16
"make stuff up" ===Pot calling kettle...
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# 2013-02-01 09:09
Quoting Christopher Williams:
"make stuff up" ===Pot calling kettle...

That is not a answer to the question, not surprised.
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# 2013-01-25 19:22
Guns have been around for a long time, so what has changed? We have chased family values out of the schools along with religion. It does not matter Chris if you believe in god or not, it has helped many to have a moral compass which is a good thing . Family TV shows from the past replaced with sex, crime and the worship of material. Video games? VP says we should make changes in gun laws if it only saves one life and make that big gulp drink smaller while your at it, along as we don't touch the things the left worship. Everyone on this site can feel better that they care by getting rid of guns instead of admitting the world was a better place when we had values.
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# 2013-01-24 20:44
There is a greater risk of a gun harming a student at school than a fire. My point is that we have more precautions against the lesser risk. My guess is that you have never lost your house in a fire. Afterall, .08% (8/100 of one percent) yet you sign a check for insurance every year in the event this would happen. We owe it to our students to protect them with more than just a "gunfree zone sign."

More people were killed with knives in 2012 than with guns. Should we remove all knives from the kitchen in the schools?

I am not advocating forcing a teacher to carry a weapon, but I do think that it should be an option for them provided they pass certain evaluations. If not teachers, then certainly administrators/other faculty.
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# 2013-01-25 07:27
The stats you cite--I am familiar with this meme--are wrong. More people were killed with knives in 2012 than with rifles (assault, semi-automatic, etc.). However, that stat did not include hand guns--which blow all the other means of murder away numerically. Nobody is looking to ban hand guns, however. But guns in general do kill more.
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# 2013-01-26 09:49
You are correct. I cited a bad stat.

I stand behind the insurance argument as well as the idea of teachers being given the choice.
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# 2013-01-26 13:57
Fair enough. And in fact by bringing up the stat you did, you point to a hole in some of the anti-gun arguments. But I think the focus on semi-automatic weapons and large clips--call them "sporting" or "assault" rifles or whatever--is a focus on something useful: limiting the carnage that can be done before someone who is armed can intervene. The knife attacker in China was crazy, but he didn't actually kill anyone. From what I read, the most likely thing that will change will be the universal background checks, and that has wide support even among NRA members. And, some legislation is being proposed to deal with the mental health and video game issues. But that, too, will be mild, because of the 1st amendment issues involved.
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# 2013-01-25 09:43
Quoting Wesson Smith:
"More people were killed with knives in 2012 than with guns. Should we remove all knives from the kitchen in the schools?
administrators/other faculty.


This is exactly my point. We cannot remove every risk that exists. We need to rationally assess the real level of risk. I will repeat: school shootings are horrendous, but they are EXTREMELY uncommon. Furthermore, I doubt that any of the solutions floating around out there from banning guns to arming teachers would prevent every shooter. Let's not adopt "solutions" that are ridiculously out of proportion to the real threat.
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# 2013-01-26 09:54
So do you carry homeowners insurance? The risk is extremely rare?
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# 2013-01-25 10:32
Quoting Wesson Smith:
There is a greater risk of a gun harming a student at school than a fire.


That is totally incorrect, as is the justification to eliminate weapon-free zones.
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# 2013-01-26 08:32
The idea that gun violence is caused by the absence of guns, which seems to be the Wayne LaPierre line (and that of the Louis Gohmerts of this world) is profoundly obscene. It is a completely transparent ploy to scare and intimidate people into buying more guns. It's all about the money.
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# 2013-01-26 09:44
Quoting Brian:
Quoting Wesson Smith:
There is a greater risk of a gun harming a student at school than a fire.


That is totally incorrect, as is the justification to eliminate weapon-free zones.


Count the number of deaths at school over the past 50 years from each cause. The numbers prove zero fire related deaths.
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# 2013-01-26 23:54
Per capita, your statistical "inference" justifies weapon-free zones nonetheless.
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# 2013-01-24 16:15
At first I thought this might be a good idea but upon reflection, I can see that arming teachers would be a huge mistake. They are not law enforcement officers, they are the leaders of students, the ones who are there to instruct, teach, guide, influence, and support. THEY should be protected and all schools should have locked doors when school is in session with surveillance cameras at the doors and possibly a guard, armed or not, to regulate who comes and goes. A sign in sheet should be required at every school for any and all visitors. More can be done without putting more responsibility on teachers.
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# 2013-01-24 17:58
I agree with this.
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# 2013-01-24 18:14
teachers need guns then our kids will be safe.
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# 2013-01-25 07:28
You would have been much happier living in a right-wing military dictatorship, tony. You can't deny it.
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# 2013-01-25 07:30
and maybe if they spent their time with guns, they wouldn't have time for teaching evolution, "critical thinking," 'n stuff...
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# 2013-01-25 10:05
I guess you are right Tony,only if Eddie Eagle trains the teachers.Another,they must join the political wing of the NRA,and take direction from Louis Gomhert.If any resist fire them.
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# 2013-01-25 10:33
You are out of your mind.

Kids will no longer respect teachers. teachers will largely refuse your silly idea anyhow. I'm glad it will never happen.
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# 2013-01-25 16:40
I can just see a teacher laying a gun on the desk, just in case they might need one. Come on people what is the percentage of someone running into a school and shooting anyone?
If teachers have to sport guns then you won't have very many kids going into teaching after high school.
I think most of the ones that have shot people in schools etc have either pleaded insanity or they are loaners. So maybe the medical profession should get more involved and report.
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# 2013-01-25 11:46
If carrying a weapon is an option for teachers, will parents be informed which teachers have guns? Will we then be able to have a say in whether or not our child will or will not be placed in that classroom? ...and I have many more questions about the logistics of the whole thing.....
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# 2013-01-26 16:16
No.
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# 2013-01-27 08:08
John (if it is the "John" I think it is) doesn't want people to have a say in anything, really.
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# 2013-01-25 15:11
Arming school personnel might save students' lives, Dianne Feinstein's bill will not. Is that the goal or not?
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# 2013-01-25 17:35
There are hundreds of schools that allow school employees and citizens to carry firearms in schools. They have been allowed prior to Sandy Hook. Do you know why you don't know about them ? Because they are responsible law abiding citizens and there hasn't been a single negative issue. So what's the logical argument against allowing firearms in schools ?
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# 2013-01-26 08:44
Quoting Ryan:
...what's the logical argument against allowing firearms in schools ?

This is an emotional issue, logic has nothing to do with it.
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# 2013-01-26 23:56
The emotionality is entirely on the part of reactionary wackos calling for armed educators. Real educators, QUALITY educators will NEVER arm themselves against their students, nor would you want your child to go to some flake who DID.
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# 2013-01-28 09:25
Quoting Brian:
Real educators, QUALITY educators will NEVER arm themselves against their students, nor would you want your child to go to some flake who DID.

Well, some educators do, and some parents do. So you are wrong on both points, despite how you feel about it.
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# 2013-01-28 10:54
Those are not quality teachers. They are disgusting for bringing weapons into a school environment. They are also setting a poor example of conflict resolution to children. I was exactly correct on both counts.
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# 2013-01-30 11:02
So you are saying the hundreds of schools that allow teachers and other citizens to carry firearms are not quality teachers or citizens ?
You are judging these people on their beliefs and that they are excercizing their rights. Yet none of them have done anything wrong.
That says more about you than these law abiding citizens. :)
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# 2013-01-30 16:04
What schools are you talking about? Military academies? Those don't educate, they program followers.
Legitimate schools are gun-free zones.
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# 2013-01-26 14:16
Wait, I have a fantastic idea. Lets ban weapons of mass destruction.
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# 2013-01-26 16:16
I heard they plan about giving them all police tasers. Safer and they could use them to break up fights.
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# 2013-01-26 23:56
Tasers are NOT safe. You are kidding, right?
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# 2013-01-27 11:26
John,lets cut to the chase.Just arm the students,that way they will be safe outside of school.
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# 2013-01-28 14:05
Tasers would be great. T
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