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(Updated) Republican Presidential Candidate Romney in BG PDF Print E-mail
Written by By JAN LARSON McLAUGHLIN /Sentinel County Editor   
Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:29
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Ohio Gov. John Kasich (right), talks with Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney Wednesday afternoon at the Bowling Green Community Center (Photo: Enoch Wu/Sentinel-Tribune)
(Updated 5:25 p.m.) Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney wants to save the soul of America and the sanctity of its job creators.
Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney wants to save the soul of America and the sanctity of its job creators.
Romney’s commitment to business, lower taxes, fossil fuels and repealing health care reform met with rousing support during his campaign stop Wednesday at the Bowling Green Community Center. PHOTO GALLERY
His opposition, President Barack Obama, is out of ideas, out of touch and out of excuses, according to Romney.
“That’s why in November we have to get him out of office,” he said.
Romney suggested that Obama should stick to his campaign promise to leave office if he didn’t turn around the economy in three years.
“More time won’t make things better,” Romney said.
The presumptive Republican nominee stopped short, however, of agreeing with an audience member who called Obama a “monster” during the town hall portion of his visit. The woman blamed Obama for her son having to layoff employees at the business he started.
“It’s all because of what this monster has done,” she said. “I’m an angry mom.”
Romney agreed that Obama has little appreciation for the ingenuity of American business owners. The president, he said, gives government credit that is actually due to business people.
Romney pointed out a sign in the crowd that said, “I created my business — not the government.”
He asked business creators in the crowd to stand, then said, “Take that Mr. President.”
Obama attacks, demonizes and denigrates success rather than supporting it, Romney said.
“I will celebrate success, and reward success and encourage it,” he said.
And unlike the president, Romney said he has the benefit of 25 years in the private sector.
“I know how to get this economy going,” he said.
Ohio Gov. John Kasich praised Romney’s business experience, and criticized the Democrats for smearing Romney’s years in the private sector — “because Mitt Romney was in business and they’ve got nothing to sell.”
During his speech, Romney outlined his five-point plan for rebuilding America.
First, he plans to take advantage of the nation’s energy resources. “This president has done almost everything in his power” to slow oil and coal production, he said of Obama. “We’ve got to get ourselves energy secure.”
“I’ll build the Keystone Pipeline, if I have to build it myself,” and he’d like to double the number of drilling permits issued by the government, he said later in his speech.
Second, he plans to open up worldwide markets to U.S. trade.
Third, he will balance the nation’s budget.
Fourth, he will make sure workers and students have the skills needed to fill jobs. Teachers unions, he said, should get behind parents, children and teachers.
And lastly, Romney said he will “restore economic freedom in this country,” by lowering taxes on small businesses and stop health care costs from steep increases.
During the question-answer period, Romney was advised by audience members to listen to Tea Party members and pick a conservative vice presidential nominee.
“I can assure you that person will be conservative,” and any Supreme Court nominees will be “believers in following the Constitution,” he said. Romney did not reveal who his running partner might be, though Senator Marco Rubio, of Florida, was mentioned once in his speech. Sen. Rob Portman, of Ohio, another possible vice presidential candidate, was not present.
Romney also addressed the topics of plunging home values, retirement savings, job training and religious freedom.
“This election is about the soul of America,” Romney said.
The Republican frontrunner didn’t have to convince the crowd, which seemed firmly behind his message.
“We need a new change. The other change wasn’t sufficient,” said Janice Jackson, of Maumee.
“I feel like he has a good plan to get the economy back in order,” said James Hartz, of Findlay.
Hartz said he likes Romney’s conservative values and commitment to revise health care reform. He said he isn’t troubled by the similarities of the national reform with the health care program adopted in Massachusetts while Romney was governor.
“People can change their mind on things,” Hartz said.
Last Updated on Thursday, 19 July 2012 09:44
 

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# 2012-07-18 15:34
Thanks Sent, posted the story after all. Was in the Subway on Wooster today an employee said Romney might stop in at the restaurant, but I do not know for certain if this is true, something to that effect, or perhaps she was wondering. Wish Obama would visit this conservative town. To be honest with you, he is, along with Paul, the best candidate. Even if you guys are a conservative paper or not, Obama has run a steady ship. We shall see how it goes. Can't wait for school to start in fall, lol, getting tired of walking around and around the city for hours, trying to think of something else to do with my time.--N. Main
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# 2012-07-18 15:59
This is a lib town buddy.....walk to the senior center on N.Main and volunteer some of your free time.
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# 2012-07-19 07:25
By voting stats, BG is 50-50 within city limits. Though a college town, it is not Madison, Berkeley, or Bloomington, and the non-college population resents the college population (professors as well as students) deeply; most of the mayors and many of the other elected officials have been Republican, though they have generally been more progressive than rank-and-file. Outside BG city limits, Wood County is one of the most conservative counties in Ohio. As a result the liberal population feels under siege, and the local right wing feels energized to fight a social war that would like to see the liberal population erased, or at least shut up. The elected officials aren't that involved, but it is a reason there is bipartisan paranoia.
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# 2012-07-19 11:13
Christopher if you are that resentful about Wood County being conservative live and work in Lucas County you will fit right in.
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# 2012-07-19 14:38
I'm not personally resentful of anything. I was merely stating facts. For the record, I actually do live and work in Lucas County, though apparently, thanks to redistricting, Bob Latta is trailing me like a bad nickel.

YTYK, were you telling me to get out of town? Awfully nice for you to offer your advice. I am curious, though, what is your opinion of the university presence in the town? Is it a good or bad thing?
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# 2012-07-20 11:21
Christopher,
I'm all for the University being in BG. My mother worked there for 30 years and it gave me my college experience. I am only against people who bash BG and the people who live there that do not think and act the way you think they should or to your belief. I am one of those inteligent Republican, Consertive people you so fondly speak about from time to time.
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# 2012-07-20 13:39
I appreciate the comment, and especially the recognition that BG is a complex community. Before moving a few miles up north, I lived in BG for 15 years. Town-gown problems are, from everything I have read or understood, long-standing. But there have been changes in recent years. My guess is the root cause has been economic anxiety. That is almost always what sets neighbor against neighbor. Social, religious and political differences can be more easily shrugged off in times of prosperity.
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# 2012-07-19 12:43
CW-I agree until the last snetence. We all support each other until one is crossed with strong opinions. Haven't you noticed that? Bipartisans usually group together to balance things. Our country has ben unbalanced for decades.
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# 2012-07-19 18:13
"most conservative county in Ohio?"

2008 results per Wood County Board of Elections:

Barack Obama 34285 52.61%

http://www.co.wood.oh.us/boe/Election_Results/2008/Nov08.htm
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# 2012-07-20 07:20
What happens if you remove Bowling Green from the mix? Note I said "outside Bowling Green city limits." Actually, if you named yourself "liar liar" in setting up a response to me, I am inclined to think that some of the things I say about local conservative resentment of liberals are spot on.
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# 2012-07-19 13:52
Typical Obama Supporter walking around waiting on the government to help them.
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# 2012-07-19 15:31
judging from this comment my statement about liberals and conservatives in BG was quite accurate. BTW, the grammatically correct thing to say is "waiting for" not "waiting on."
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# 2012-07-21 14:08
oh so where were u when bush was elected once and then slipped in by his brother in fla... we got screwed..
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# 2012-07-21 12:52
ROMNEY WOULDN'T LOWER HIMSELF TO GO TO A RESTURANT THAT ISN'T SERVING LOBSTER TAIL... HE IS SO ABOVE THAT... SO WHY ISN'T ANYONE ON HERE ASKING WHY THIS MAN ISN'T SHOWING HIS TAXES... ONLY FOR 2 YEARS.. WHAT IS HE HIDING??..BOWLING GREEN IS FULL OF REPUBLICANS, AND THEY DON'T CARE IF THIS MAN INVESTED HIS MONEY IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND OURSOURCED JOBS, AND BOUGHT COMPANIES THAT WERE GOING UNDER MADE MILLIONS OFF OF THOSE POOR PEOPLE... HEY IT'S OK WE HAVE TO PAY FOR HIS HEALTHCARE, AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE HEALTHCARE THAT PAYS FOR HIS KIDS HEALTH NEEDS... HE IS A MAN THAT HAS 2 ANSWERS FOR EVERY QUESTION U ASK HIM... HE DEBATES HIMSELF... SENIORS, WOMEN, COLLEGE STUDENTS IF THIS MAN GETS IN OFFICE KISS YOUR HEALTHCARE GOODBYE, MEDICARE WILL BE GONE, AND WOMEN FORGET ABOUT YOUR BODIES HE NOW HAS CONTROL... HE IS EVIL.
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# 2012-07-21 12:54
i had to cut my article down it was too long.... WHY DIDN'T THIS REPUBLICAN PAPER MENTION THE ROMENY PROTESTER OUTSIDE THE BUILDING... I GUESS THOSE PEOPLE ARN'T IMPORTANT... WHO RENTED THIS BUILDING/// WHO PAYED FOR IT////WAS IT PAID BY TAXPAPERS MONEY??NO ONE ASKED ROMENY ABOUT HIM HIDING HIS TAX RETURNS...THIS IS AMAZING... LOOK AT ALL THE PICS OF ROMENY THEN FIND ONE OF OBAMA WHEN HE CAME INTO TOWN..
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# 2012-07-21 12:55
so why wasn't the questions asked by this paper??? SO WHEN DID YOU LEAVE BAIN CAPITAL//... IT WASN IN 1999 LIKE HE SAID... HE WAS STILL THERE IN 2002...
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# 2012-07-18 17:18
lol, thanks for the reminder...I should do that....
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# 2012-07-18 18:19
That's the whitest crowd I have ever seen. Clearly, Romney is the candidate of old white people.
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# 2012-07-19 08:34
Only libs can get away with a racist statement like that!
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# 2012-07-19 09:46
it's not a racist statement. Look at the demographics and polls. And why is it that right-wingers (as opposed to genuine conservatives, whom I respect) like to point the "racism" arrow at people who point out racial (or other demographic) imbalance in order to deflect attention from their own behavior?
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# 2012-07-19 11:10
Christopher can you please explain to me the difference between calling peolple old rich white people and poor black people. I think that both statements are racists.
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# 2012-07-19 14:40
If you are describing what you see, it isn't racism. If you are saying, "those people are evil (or merely not to be trusted) because they are white/black" that is racism. But I don't think bananaman was doing that.
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# 2012-07-19 10:38
Not racist,,just a simple fact! Look at the pix!
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# 2012-07-19 11:15
Simple fact the crowd at Obama events are mainly people of color. Is that racist?
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# 2012-07-19 14:43
That wasn't the case at the Maumee rally. There were a lot of people of color, but a lot of white people, too. At the last town hall he gave that was televised (Cincinnati?) most of the questions were from white attendees. Perhaps your statement that they are "mainly people of color"--since it was not numerically true--might be considered racist, but only in the sense that the people of color seemed to you to be more significant than their actual numbers.
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# 2012-07-20 11:25
No there you go again. My statement was true the majority of Obama supports at these events are people of color. There is nothing racist in that statement, only your perception that it maight be racist.
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# 2012-07-20 13:40
fair enough.

But, you must admit that there is a racist dimension to this sort of discussion, and that is what makes people jittery.
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# 2012-07-26 13:39
Why does everything have to be a racist statement? Or people of color? Or are we politically correct? I thought we were all created equal. I don't see color, I see hate and people think whites of today are still going down the slave era. That was some, and I note some people wanted someone of lower class to work the fields etc. Again money talks. I am totaaly not happy because our country has NOY risen above that.
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# 2012-07-21 12:40
ytyk i was in Maumee when our President came the majority was white.. Where are u coming from... Get real wood county deserves Latta and his do nothing for us attitude .. He is so busy degrading the president he doesn't have time for anything else... LETS VOTE THIS MAN OUT OF WOOD COUNTY..OHIO IS FOR OBAMA... WE DON'T NEED THE WOOD COUNTRY TO WIN THIS ELECTION...
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# 2012-07-26 13:46
Cindi-You are most certain to be a Democrate by your statements. I am Indepentant just because of all the things everyone has said. Politics is all about how much money one can drum up and who can tell the most lies. AND for your information this country has been screwed up for the last 60 years. The next Pres won't be able to straighten us out either. We just keep adding to the mess year after year and NO ONE does anything about it. We let it happen. The sad part is the other countries are laughing their butts off hoping we crash under the pressure.
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# 2012-07-19 11:12
Except for the fact that it's true. I was at the "town hall meeting" and saw one black that wasn't a worker, Facts?.
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# 2012-07-19 11:12
I happened to be at the event and there were two people of color setting near us and they seemed to be enjoying the event and what Romney had to say. I think you need to look at the picture again without bias.
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# 2012-07-19 14:47
It was a numerical observation, not one of "bias." The presence of a couple people of color doesn't change the fact that the Romney campaign is not doing well among blacks or latinos.
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# 2012-07-26 13:48
I have been told that many black people in this part of the country are NOT for Obama. They don't say anything because some black folks would critize them nd say they are "Whitie Lovers"
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# 2012-07-19 11:34
Two names for you Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid two old white peolpe!!!!!
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# 2012-07-19 14:46
So? Nobody was saying that old white people only support conservatives. But there are many rich old white people in politics on the liberal side who support the causes of people who are not like themselves. This doesn't make them hypocrites; it makes them compassionate.
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# 2012-07-20 11:30
No you are wrong again on your observations. There are plenty of rich conservitives who are compassionate about the have nots or the blacks and latinos. They just don't feel that life should be handed to them with hand outs for their entire life. People on get better and succeed when thay try to help themselves. Handouts are sometimes needed when things get rough but not for your lifetime.
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# 2012-07-20 13:47
sometimes the argument gets down to what a handout is, or how a government program can be spun as a handout. There is a whole spectrum of thinking on the issue. But often the dispute is over access, not a handout: access to affordable (not free) health care, access to a college education without crippling debt, access to loans at manageable interest rates. If it is just about access, there is accountability. That was more or less the brilliance of the Clinton welfare reforms (which, incidentally, are NOT being undercut by the current president).

I have known many of the same rich conservatives--and many like them--and agree with you. I am one of those intelligent, self-critical liberals with whom conservatives can work.
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# 2012-07-26 13:59
CW-There needs to be more accredibility and I am seeing it little bit at a time. There are just way to many loop-holes and adjustments made that changes the rules. By the way CW if Hillary was still on the ticket in '08 I would have voted Dem, Who the hell was Obama before the late summer of '07 anyway?
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# 2012-07-26 13:54
Right on YTYK.
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# 2012-07-26 13:53
CW-I think as we get older we tend to see where we have come from and no we are not getting anywhere and all the former mistakes we have made. I think they call that WISDOM!
Oh Yeah a clean honest-to-goodness person can't run for office because they aren't dirty enough anymore.
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# 2012-07-26 13:49
OMG!
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# 2012-07-19 13:55
Quoting bananaman:
That's the whitest crowd I have ever seen. Clearly, Romney is the candidate of old white people.


Due to the time of the appearance, the Majority of Romney Supporters were "At Work" (Thank goodness someone is still working and paying into the "System")

I found it interesting that the FEW protestors that were interviewed by the media were concerned that their "Entitlements" might disappear if Romney is elected???

Actually those people should be supporting Romney because they are going to NEED Romney to turn our Economy around otherwise no one will be paying into the System that these people have become so dependent on.
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# 2012-07-19 15:37
It was also very hot, not conducive to protesting. The only local tv news outlet to cover the event was also the most conservative--judging from the WNWO weather people who are always rather stridently denying climate change. And the liberal activists in town simply didn't bother to go--mostly because they, too, were working.

I really think it is naive to think that the economic policies that led us over the cliff in the first place--no regulation for the financial sector, tax cuts without reinvestment or actual 'job creation'--are going to fix the problems of the economy. I predict that if Romney wins, his wealthy backers will go laughing to the bank, the public sector will be slashed, and the propaganda mills will have to work overtime to cover up the mess.
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# 2012-07-20 10:26
Quoting Christopher Williams:

I really think it is naive to think that the economic policies that led us over the cliff in the first place--no regulation for the financial sector, tax cuts without reinvestment or actual 'job creation'--are going to fix the problems of the economy.


"Naive"? Naive is thinking that Mr. Obama has a "Plan" that has/will work at getting this economy going again.

We remember exactly who was in charge of the Financial Services Committee former Democrat Sen. Chris Dodd and the "Brains" behind the Fannie Maw and Freddie Mac fiasco, Democrat Barney Frank.

If Obama were to win again, we will continue down the road of high unemployment, market decline, higher and higher medical costs, and continued grid lock in the Congress.
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# 2012-07-20 11:31
Frank had nothing to do with Lehman Bros, AIG, the economic collapse in Iceland (the first blow in the Euro-crisis, though Iceland recovered since it is not in the Eurozone), or Enron, which foreshadowed all of it. He was not responsible for the sectioning off, packaging and selling of known toxic debts and derivatives. Read Michael Lewis's "The Big Short" or Menzie Chinn/Jeffry Frieden "Lost Decades: the Making of America's Debt Crisis and the Long Recovery." The rest is tired old partisan finger-pointing and media hype. Dodd-Frank was actually part of the solution. And if the financial sector was so guiltless, why have they fought so hard against every effort to regulate them--while convincing people like you that they are the good guys.
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# 2012-07-20 14:48
Quoting Christopher Williams:
Frank had nothing to do with Lehman Bros, AIG, the economic collapse in Iceland Dodd-Frank was actually part of the solution. And if the financial sector was so guiltless, why have they fought so hard against every effort to regulate them--while convincing people like you that they are the good guys.


Chris: If you believe that Dodd and Frank had NOTHING to do with the Housing Crisis then You are very "Naive".

I find it amazing that you want us to believe that the two individuals that were overseeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac had "Nothing" to do with the demise of the Housing Market. AMAZING RATIONAL?
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# 2012-07-22 07:45
ruralguy, I thought your reading comprehension was better than that. I was talking about Lehman Bros, AIG, and Iceland (see above). This finger pointing at Dodd and Frank is just a smokescreen to shift attention away from the fact that the worldwide economic collapse was the product of misbehavior in the financial sector that was fostered and enabled primarily by the fiscal policies favored by Republican politicians. It only has credibility among uninformed people who feel that all that is bad is Democrat. The lack of accountability still shown by the likes of Jamey "I keep misplacing billions" Dimon is not driven by the people who were suckered into buying subprime mortgages. The Dodd-Frank legislation has yet to be implemented, because it has been largely blocked by the Republicans in Congress.
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# 2012-07-23 05:27
The Dodd/Frank bill has not been implemented because it was a poorly written bill that was passed without a thorough review.

“Dodd-Frank was run through Congress with very little debate [in 2010]”
Dodd-Frank was a hastily crafted response to the 2008 financial crisis, full of requirements that legislators did not take the time to read and regulators were unprepared to meet.

Critics of the financial reform have characterized Dodd-Frank as, “Too big not to fail,” and have cited the high cost of complying with new regulations as a potential drag on the economy.

Dodd/Frank is an example of legislation which the Democrats rammed through Congress that was passed without a thorough review of the impact it would have on the economy.
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# 2012-07-26 14:13
CW-Like I said this has been going on for decades and until the simple guy goes forth and we all support change, the U.S. of A will be no different.
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# 2012-07-26 14:10
Rural guy-I hate to tell you this, no matter who get's elected we won't win! I say right now, either one CAN NOT get us out of the slump we have been in for decades. Our Greatgrand kids will be paying for the mess we are in. What an nice thing to pass along the way. I have 4 grands and they have NOTHING to look forward to.
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# 2012-07-26 14:05
LOL. You are probably right!
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# 2012-07-26 14:03
Rural Guy if you mean SS then yes it had better be there when I retire or I am going to be MAD. My hubby and I have paid into this ALL OUR WORKING LIVES and yes we have other acoounts that amount to nothing because they have lost more then making anything. I could go on but there is not enough space like Cini.
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# 2012-07-18 19:55
Look at the pix of the crowd to see Romney. 90% elderly and white..just like the Republican Congress! Talk about preaching to the choir.....
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# 2012-07-19 10:16
So, you are racist also? Wherever you go, do you continue to look at what people look like, to include their age and skin color?
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# 2012-07-19 10:52
Racist? Look at the photos of the crowd! Not many youngsters or blacks or Hispanics are there?
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# 2012-07-19 12:47
Most people don't want to get into the traffic etc. I wouldn't go see Obama either, not worth the effort when it is published throughout the news media.
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# 2012-07-19 11:19
Stan, that's a dumb cop-out statement. When you look, hear, smell or feel, you automatically use the input that sense provided. Being color blind isn't much more than saying compassionate conservative. Get real.
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# 2012-07-19 12:20
Pointing out OBVIOUS race disparities is not racist itself. In fact, IGNORING the obvious is a form of the perpetration of racist assumptions.
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# 2012-07-19 12:52
Quoting Stanley George:
So, you are racist also? Wherever you go, do you continue to look at what people look like, to include their age and skin color?

Excellent observation, (and good comeback) my friend!
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# 2012-07-26 14:19
SG-they are looking at statistics and the time of day. I just wish there were other choices.
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# 2012-07-19 12:06
Do you mean Republican House? For your information just so you can be informed Congress has two parts the Senate and the House. As of right now 7-19-12 the House is controlled by the Republicans and the Senate is controlled by the Democrats. Now I would like to point out to you two people who are in the Senate who are white and rich Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer. Simple Fact!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
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# 2012-07-19 14:51
This is completely irrelevant. How many people in the Senate are NOT rich and white?

"Congress" is often used as a shorthand for just the "House," even though it is technically inaccurate.

If you look at the Republican caucus, the number of people of color is shockingly small. And one of them, Allen West, is completely bonkers.
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# 2012-07-20 11:44
Where was the irrelevant part in my post. You contradict yourself "technically" As far as the Allen West statement your opinion not fact. I thought you prided yourself on facts and well informed information. So therefore your statement is technically inaccurate.
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# 2012-07-20 13:51
I freely admit that it is my opinion that Allen West is completely bonkers. However, when one takes at face value is complaint about members of congress being members of the Communist Party (the main thing I was thinking of in view of some comments here), and his willingness to buy into and even inflame various conspiracy theories, there is a case to be made. There are serious conservatives of color out there, but they are underrepresente d in public office.
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# 2012-07-19 12:45
They are the only ones availablr to go at that time. People with families would have kids that are bored.
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# 2012-07-26 14:18
pk-most people are working at 2 pm, they are the only ones around to listen.
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# 2012-07-18 19:58
Wow..Kasich and Mitt..the most hated man in Ohio..and the richest man with no platform ever to run for President! Both in the same place!
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# 2012-07-19 08:38
Yea
Have a budget and live within your means? Obama has a better plan "you did not earn that,someone else did" wealth distribution. Karl Marx is smiling!
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# 2012-07-19 09:44
Facts, if you think Obama is a Marxist or even a socialist, you have flunked both economics and political history.

And that "someone else did that" meme is based on taking a sentence out of context. It is very clear from just the preceding sentence (which is NOT shown or quoted on Fox or by Romney) that the "that" refers to infrastructure and inspiring teachers, not the business itself. You can debate about whether or not it is important for the public sector to invest in infrastructure, but it is a lie to say that the President claimed that people in the private sector did not build their own businesses. Funny how you get all hot under the collar when some network flunky misleadingly edits comments by Zimmermann but not when this is done by "your side."
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# 2012-07-19 11:53
comrade

It is very clear that "some else did that" is being used to justify even higher taxes and wealth redistribution.
The only way to do this fairly is to take the average pay for everyone in Wood county and tax those above it. Comrade this means you also need to pay in a lot more after all it was others that are responsible for your success not you.
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# 2012-07-19 14:55
Cut the comrade crap. You only show that you really don't understand what communism is. Clearly you also have no understanding of western mixed economies or of the rather ridiculous income disparities we are facing and how they got that way. (Hint: it was not by "creating jobs.") Nobody--anywhere--is proposing income redistribution. But, obviously, I keep overestimating your IQ.
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# 2012-07-19 10:37
Totally out of context via Rush and Fox..he was talking about infrastructure and how no business succeeds without roads, bridges, internet, and customers! Nice try. How about Mitt releasing his tax returns? Mitt will lose....there are ony so many angry old white men and wealthy that will vote for this stuffed shirt....
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# 2012-07-19 11:17
How about Obama releasing his college transcripts? What's the difference?
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# 2012-07-19 15:01
You really need to ask this? Romney is running as a financial fix-it man who knows how to "create jobs." Yet he won't release documentation pertinent to that issue. How can you run on your personal financial success without allowing access to any documentation about that success? Say, "trust me on this; just look at the other guy?" We are also talking about the years between 2000-2010, which are a bit more recent than the early 1980s.

Obama graduated with honors from Columbia and was named head of the Harvard Law Review--not things that happen to stupid people with poor grades, or to people who have gotten in dishonestly. Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard are all private institutions and would violate several privacy rules to release a student's grades.
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# 2012-07-20 11:53
What would the tax returns from 2000-2010 prove? They would prove that he has a good tax accountant that takes advantage of the tax laws currently in place. As far as Obama he can release his information. The universities do not have to violate policy rules. Obama has paid out millions to keep this information sealed. So in my opinion what's good for the goose!!!! I'm still not sure what releasing years and years of tax returns has to do with running for the Presidency. I can assure you though that any Republican will have more in Charitable deductions than any Democrat. That I know for a fact!!!!
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# 2012-07-20 14:01
If that is all the tax returns show, that would merely be embarrassing. It would not be disqualifying, and it would blow over. So why NOT release them? By acting in ways that no other candidate in recent memory has done, he invites the inquiry. As to the college records, I would suggest one reason why Obama would be wise not to release them. Given how SOME conservatives feel that "you are what you read" and how they (Beck and Hannity, for instance) already have parsed his relationships with intellectual figures in his life in order to forge rather far-fetched conspiracies, imagine if his transcripts showed that he took perfectly commonplace and courses like "African-American Literature" or "A History of Soviet Russia" or a "History of Islam."
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# 2012-07-21 14:10
If he releases them he will end up in jail for felon...
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# 2012-07-22 07:49
I don't know about that, but I actually suspect it may show that he continued to receive money from Bain. This includes his years as governor. Since, as Ann said in the interview ("we have shown all that YOU PEOPLE need to see"), he forewent his governor's salary. Did he live just on his savings? If it doesn't show that, then fine. But it is a legitimate question to ask.
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# 2012-07-22 20:12
Quoting Christopher Williams:
I don't know about that, but I actually suspect it may show that he continued to receive money from Bain.


And that would be a Problem?

Why?

If you or I started a business and eventually turned over the management of the business to others within the company (and we took a non-active role) why would/should that prevent you or I from receiving proceeds from our ownership portion of the business???

That would make NO SENSE!

Chris, you are far too intelligent and would not let that happen if it were you in the above situation.

If you wrote a book, would you stop collecting the proceeds from the sale of that book at some future point? I don't think you would.
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# 2012-07-23 09:37
It depends on the capacity in which the money is earned. If the returns showed that it was from stock options or other residual proceeds from the work he did 1999 and earlier, then fine. If it shows that he was being paid as the lead figure in business transactions post 1999 it is another matter altogether, and not just the kind of phasing out, "retroactive retirement" as his colleagues and aides have made it out to be. In any case, these are pertinent questions. Given his entire approach in the campaign, Romney risks a big "do as I say and not as I do" and "look at him, not at me" in his attacks on the president's fiscal priorities, and any attempt he may make (if elected) to reform the tax code, criticize foreign governments, etc.
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# 2012-07-25 19:46
Obama supporters are just Phishing, hoping to come up with something they can try and make sound like "dirt" on Romney. (The Obama College Records are also a Phishing Joke)

Obama seems to be looking for anything to avoid having to answer for his inability to fulfill many of the campaign promises that he made in the last election. With unemployment still close to 10%, the economy in the dump, problems with his attorney general, etc etc, the democrats are looking for anything to deflect attention to the "REAL" problems that will decide this election.

The tax return issue is a "Joke". I look forward to the debates when both candidates have to answer the important questions and these childish Phishing attempts are put on the back burner.
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# 2012-07-26 14:45
Rural Guy-I think you have hit the nail on the head. The Media has pointed that out on several ststions. Distraction is the correct word.
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# 2012-07-26 14:43
CW-He has had these notions to run for years, he just got his plans in oeder. There are very "Few" people that have not done things under the table to get ahead. Gee---that's the American Way"
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# 2012-07-26 14:40
Guys get real, when one gets in power there is no ceiling, it goes to their head. How many times have we all said we could do a better job then those elected to office? Do you really want to be famous? We ALL set around and complain.
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# 2012-07-26 14:35
Cindi-they are lawyers and they "KNOW HOW" to rig the rules and redo the tax forms.
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# 2012-07-22 09:11
Quoting Christopher Williams:
As to the college records, I would suggest one reason why Obama would be wise not to release them. imagine if his transcripts showed that he took perfectly commonplace and courses like "African-American Literature" or "A History of Soviet Russia" or a "History of Islam."


Chris, the same argument could be made relative to the release of Romney's Records.

In both cases, someone will attempt to create a story line, TV ads etc that will be so biased that they will ONLY mislead potential voters, relative to the "Truth" and what is important.

You always seem to try and have us believe that the "right" is the group that is trying to mislead voters BUT the "left" is running ads that are VERY Misleading and UNTRUE!
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# 2012-07-22 14:45
I will concede that both sides are running misleading ads. It is the job of voters to see through that and find out for themselves where the truth lies and what is important. And in many cases this involves paying attention to policy issues that most Americans only pay attention to every four years, if then. The sad fact is that neither of these guys is an extremist, and in many areas of policy there is less room between the two than there is between themselves and their respective political bases. But I believe that because of this fiercely partisan pressure, the directions they would lead the country are radically different.
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# 2012-07-26 14:48
Rural Guy-I just heard a nicer ad just yesterday. (Simpl version) here what you said you would do, it didn't happen, you tried now let someone else try. I don't think that was cruel.
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# 2012-07-26 14:31
CW-I don't think any of them are hitting "The Issues" they are way to busy back-stabbing the other one as they have done for sveral years. Aren't you sick of that?
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# 2012-07-20 09:08
You need to release the Fast and furious documents so we can see who caused the Murder of a American.
Romney taxes will show he made a lot of Money and produced a lot of wealth for others, something we should all want.
Obama's will show he never did anything in the private sector not even run a lemonade stand.
The only reason libs want the records is for more smoke and mirrors and distortion. Pretty interesting that over 70% of Obama stimulus went overseas or to large campaign donors???
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# 2012-07-20 11:36
_I_ need to release the Fast and Furious documents? Facts?, you really are a completely insane puppet of a media that reduces everybody into 2-dimensional stick figures, for and against, conservative and liberal, good and evil. Sheesh!

However, from what I have read, all documents relevant to that murder have already been released, among 10s of thousands of pages. The rest is just a shabby conspiracy theory about the 2nd amendment that has been cooked up by some pretty shady characters. In fact, many of the "talking points" of the Fact and Furious scandal have been discredited by independent investigation.

Your comments about Obama/overseas have also been debunked by fact checkers. And, I'll toss this out: it is only "cronyism" if you disclose your bundlers.
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# 2012-07-21 14:12
oh lets see now it's college... you republicans can't go after him for his birth certificate anyomre, and so now it is his college... my my look at dumbo bush did he have a college degress?? Apparently he flunked and daddy had to help him get his grades... Just like the oil wells daddy got for sons...
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# 2012-07-26 14:50
Cindi-that's the american way. Many politicans from the past didn't have the best of degrees.
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# 2012-07-21 14:12
none of my comments have been posted????? why is that???
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# 2012-07-22 07:50
now they have; the site doesn't update as often on the weekend.
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# 2012-07-26 14:51
I would like to know how some of these posts have gotten out, do they know someone at the Sentinel?
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# 2012-07-19 12:49
Quoting pk:
there are ony so many angry old white men and wealthy that will vote for this stuffed shirt....

Looks like your wrong? It may be a good idea for the Dems to get out the Illegal vote!
(CBS News) President Obama and Mitt Romney are effectively tied in the race for the presidency, according to a new CBS News/New York Times survey.

Forty-seven percent of registered voters nationwide who lean towards a candidate back Romney, while 46 percent support the president. Four percent are undecided. The 1 percentage point difference is within the survey's three-point margin of error.
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# 2012-07-19 15:03
The polls change all the time; they were different as recent as a week ago. And the only ones that count are the state-by-state polls in the so-called purple states. So, no, pk isn't "wrong," as you say.
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# 2012-07-19 12:57
PK-people want change they always want change. This country got way to big and wealthy way to fast and now we are paying the price. We taought other countries how to do things and now we are bit in the butt. There is no one out there to pull us out anymore. Who will come to our defense? No one they all hate us, because we were the big shots, we have nothing to give anymore.
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# 2012-07-19 12:57
Quoting pk:
How about Mitt releasing his tax returns?


Please tell us of What importance is Mr. Romney's Tax Return OR ( for that matter - Mr. Obama's College Transcript) with regard to Electing a President???

In my opinion NEITHER is very important. I am tired of "Political Ads" that are FALSE and misleading.

What IS Important is who will get our economy going again and who has the background to "Lead" our Country in this challenging time?

Mr. Obama has had almost 4 years to "Create Change" and our Economy is worse off than when he took office and his "key" legislation is going to cost Trillions of dollars and add tremendously to our "Debt".
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# 2012-07-26 14:55
Rural guy-it's back to what I have been saying. Tell me what YOU are going to do to turn this country back into the black and what what the other guy has done wrong. IT DIDN'T WORK now hat?
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# 2012-07-19 13:07
Quoting pk:

Cont.

The debates should be Very interesting. Mr. Obama will have to explain and answer for his "record" and neither candidate will be able to make False accusations without having to answer for them.

For those of you who are concerned that Mr. Romney may have investments overseas (or whatever your "tax return issue is) then you should also be concerned with Congresswomen Debbie Wasserman Schultz and others who have accounts in the Camen Islands etc?

If we make needed changes to our Tax Code and bring our Taxes in line "competitive" with the rest of the World, then People and Businesses etc WON'T have the desire to take their money and/or businesses overseas to avoid our "out of control" Tax System!

A Little Common Sense would do wonders!
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# 2012-07-19 15:08
I agree with you that the ads we are seeing on TV are largely nonsense. But the big issue that IS relevant with Romney is that how he has conducted his business and his financial life is the backbone of his claim to be a financial fix-it man for the country. Not being transparent about that seems absurd--the more so because he is significantly less forthcoming about these issues than any one else who has run for president in recent memory. If he wants to change the tax code, it would HELP his position to be honest and forthcoming about his own taxes. As a point of order, Politifact gave the Debbie Wasserman Schultz a "false" because the scope and nature of the investments is altogether on a different scale.
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# 2012-07-20 10:32
Quoting Christopher Williams:
Not being transparent about that seems absurd--the more so because he is significantly less forthcoming about these issues than any one else who has run for president in recent memory. If he wants to change the tax code, it would HELP his position to be honest and forthcoming about his own taxes.


Who's definition of "transparent" are we using? The President used that word in the last election and his reign and the practices of the Democrats have been anything buy transparent. Where was Transparency when they passed the Health Care (Obamacare) and NO one knew what was in it until after they passed it?

You can not toss words like transparent around and have us believe that this Administration has been transparent in their dealings the past 4 years.
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# 2012-07-20 11:40
Every time I think you are an independent thinker, you prove me wrong. The specific issue of Romney's transparency does not lend itself to the comparisons you offer. For one thing, transparency has never been the issue with the ACA, only its complexity.

Let me repeat: if a man runs for president on the basis of the wonderful things he has done with Bain Capital, then it is only fair to know what those wonderful things were. If a man runs for president on the grounds that he can do a better job with the economy than the incumbent, then it is only fair to understand how he has run his own personal economy. As a businessman, he would never invest in a corporation that revealed less than 2 years of its financial dealings. Why should we invest in him?
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# 2012-07-20 15:09
Quoting Christopher Williams:
If a man runs for president on the grounds that he can do a better job with the economy than the incumbent, then it is only fair to understand how he has run his own personal economy.


What Romney has done with his personal investments is NO MORE relevant/important to serving as President than Obama not releasing his college transcripts or releasing copies of the Harvard Review when he "was in charge".

The above examples are NOT important as all that will become of information from Romney's Tax Records or Obama's College records is some crazed attempt to create some more misguided propaganda.

I believe 3 years ago, that Mr. Obama, takling about the Economy, said: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then this is going to be a one‑term proposition.”
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# 2012-07-22 14:48
He was also speaking partly from the rosier pictures of the economy that he was getting from sources before he took office, and he was also assuming that the loyal opposition would negotiate in better faith than, it now appears, they were willing to do. Politicians should not make promises about things they cannot fully control (though they often do so or people wouldn't vote for them), so his statement merely shows his inexperience in governing office. If Romney gets elected, it would be equally absurd to expect him to deliver on everything he has been promising to do on "Day 1."
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# 2012-07-23 06:51
Quoting Christopher Williams:
so his statement merely shows his inexperience in governing office."


Now there is a Statement about Obama with which I would Totally Agree!
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# 2012-07-23 09:39
I would add that he had a very successful learning curve once on the job, in many areas. And, please, the context of my whole sentence is important. Don't pull a Romney by stripping away the basic grammatical structure of what I was saying.
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# 2012-07-23 12:18
Chris

It is interesting how you respond to a quote of Obama but say nothing about the main point of the comment?

"What Romney has done with his personal investments is NO MORE relevant/important to serving as President than Obama not releasing his college transcripts or releasing copies of the Harvard Review when he "was in charge".

The above examples are NOT important as all that will become of information from Romney's Tax Records or Obama's College records is some crazed attempt to create some more misguided propaganda."

Do I assume that you agree with the main point?
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# 2012-07-23 15:00
I do not agree that there is an equivalence between the tax records disclosure issue and the college transcripts issue. The latter started coming up with a vengeance when Trump got frustrated on the birth certificate. Since he is known to have excelled academically at Columbia and Harvard, the basic likely hesitance may have to do with the courses he took, and the likelihood that they would be interpreted in the silly way some people always interpret such things. That would of course open a whole debate about public perceptions of the content of curricula at elite private universities, and, as I said, the tendency of some--especially by those who have NOT gone to college--that the courses one studies are automatically a reflection of one's attitudes.
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# 2012-07-26 08:28
We didn't have time 4 years ago or NOW for Mr. Obama to "learn on the job". His lack of experience has shown itself in many instances throughout his term and we, the citizens, have paid for his administrations lack of experience.

Quoting Christopher Williams:
Politicians should not make promises about things they cannot fully control (though they often do so or people wouldn't vote for them), so his statement merely shows his inexperience in governing office. "


As Obama stated almost 4 years ago while talking about the Economy: “If I don’t have this done in three years, then this is going to be a one‑term proposition.”

Now we need to make Mr. Obama's statement a "truism".
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# 2012-07-20 10:42
Quoting Christopher Williams:
As a point of order, Politifact gave the Debbie Wasserman Schultz a "false" because the scope and nature of the investments is altogether on a different scale.


Different Scale???

If it is wrong(?), then it is wrong regardless of the amount one is investing/holding in off-shore accounts. If Wasserman Schultz is also doing it, she is also "guilty"(?)

The problem is WHY people are getting advice from their accountants to move their monies off-shore. If our system of taxation were more competitive with the rest of the world, the incentive to move one's money off-shore would NOT be there. Until we revise our tax structure, individuals and businesses will continue to use the current tax codes to maximize their holdings. This is not "Rocket Science"!
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# 2012-07-20 11:44
And, yet, tax levels are at near historic lows, and people still feel this panicked need to hide their wealth from the IRS. I am not suggesting that Romney did anything illegal, but if you are going to do this, you shouldn't be accusing the president of having a "foreign" understanding of economic matters. I also think the whole Romney campaign plays up what is so problematic in thinking that a country can be run like a business. What are we going to do with poor, uninsured, or underproductive citizens? Fire them? Judging from some statements on this blog I would guess that some people are dumb enough to believe that this is possible.
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# 2012-07-20 15:22
Quoting Christopher Williams:
And, yet, tax levels are at near historic lows


If the Tax Rates in the US as so GREAT/LOW, then why are Corporations like GE (CEO/Obama's Job Czar) moving their Companies overseas? Why would Schultz, Romney, you or I consider investing monies/holdings in "off-shore" accounts?

The ONLY reason is that the Corporate and Personal Tax Rates in the USA are NOT competitive with the rest of the Industrialized world.

When half of the people in the USA pay NO personal income tax, then it is obvious that there is a Major imbalance that MUST be addressed. We cannot continue down this road of "Entitlements". We have to create an economic environment where business can and will expand and provide JOBS for ALL able bodied citizens.
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# 2012-07-22 07:56
The short answer to your first question is "greed." The more complex answer is "globalization," but the "historic lows" I referenced are indeed in reference to the United States itself. The people who pay no personal income tax pay higher percentages than you or I in the form of gas and other consumption taxes. They also hold only about 1% of the total wealth in this country. The income disparity in this country is only getting worse, and a lot of it has to do with the persistence of faith in supply-side economics, which, basiclally, as Laffer himself indicated recently, doesn't work.
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# 2012-07-22 17:41
Quoting Christopher Williams:
The people who pay no personal income tax pay higher percentages than you or I in the form of gas and other consumption taxes. They also hold only about 1% of the total wealth in this country.


Actually the people who you refer to above pay considerably MORE gas and other consumption taxes than you or I. They own larger and more homes than you or I and I am certain have more vehicles etc and as a result pay far more in consumption taxes than us.

You, I and everyone else STILL in America have that opportunity to create an idea, product or service than could allow us to become "wealthy". Other than our creativity ther is nothing keeping us from being the next Mark Zuckerberg, Larry Page, Bill Gates, Ray Kroc or any number of other entrepreneurs.
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# 2012-07-23 08:03
The above reference is in response to the top 5% who pay approximately 60% of the Income Tax in the USA.

"Actually the people who you refer to above pay considerably MORE gas and other consumption taxes than you or I. They own larger and more homes than you or I and I am certain have more vehicles etc and as a result pay far more in consumption taxes than us."

a late night response. Sorry for any confusion.
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# 2012-07-23 11:30
Given that many in the top 5% wind up paying less than the top marginal rate in income tax (as opposed to capital gains), all his points to is how large a percentage of wealth is concentrated in the hands of a very small number of people--the concentration gets more exaggerated when you move from 5% to 1% to the .1% (the super-rich). These things were already out of kilter during the Bush administration and long before the economic crisis made it even worse. 8-9 years ago, the super-rich were raking it in, median incomes were stagnant, and jobs were not being created. If these people were sitting on this wealth and not farming it back to the economy when they had all the political advantages, why should we believe it when they say, "if but for this president..."?
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# 2012-07-23 09:45
I have no idea what you are talking about in the first paragraph, except maybe recycling Reagan's old Cadillac-driving welfare queen canard.

The second is a nice statement of the Horatio Alger myth. But really, when people criticize income inequality, they are not talking about the brilliant innovators. They are talking particularly about those fairly shadowy figures in the financial sector who have successfully decoupled the creation of wealth from the creation of jobs or the creation of...anything. It's what investigative journalist Chris Hedges has called the "culture of death." Packaging toxic debts into derivatives and trading them as commodities, knowing they were toxic, is what caused the economic crisis. Not Dodd, not Frank, not the ripped-off mortgage holders.
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# 2012-07-23 12:16
Quoting Christopher Williams:
Packaging toxic debts into derivatives and trading them as commodities, knowing they were toxic, is what caused the economic crisis. Not Dodd, not Frank, not the ripped-off mortgage holders.


And who was, from the government, was in charge of the Financial Services Committee (former Democrat Sen. Chris Dodd) and the person from Congress who was overseeingt Fannie Maw and Freddie? (Democrat Barney Frank)

You again make a great point but you seem to fail to acknowledge who, in the government, should have stopped this rather than allow it to happen?
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# 2012-07-23 15:05
Fannie and Freddie were not the lynchpin in the collapse. Nor were they the trigger. Lehman Bros, AIG, and Iceland were beforehand.

They were mismanaged, certainly, and their scope is far reaching. However, it is highly disputed how culpable or even involved Frank was in the process. I am not saying that he couldn't have done more, but when you have Bush's Treasury secretary claiming as late as 2008--AFTER Lehman Bros' collapse that they were still sound--it is hard to make the case that the blame lay more with democrats i congress than with Treasury's oversight and their own proven mismanagement. One thing that cuts government's culpability down somewhat is how much information was hidden from those in charge of oversight.
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# 2012-07-27 06:20
Quoting Christopher Williams:
Fannie and Freddie were not the lynchpin in the collapse.


Fannie and Freddie allowed and encouraged the bundling to take place.

The bigger problem was that Fannie and Freddie set up a system of loaning Trillions of dollars to people who had NO chance of repaying loans on homes they had NO business buying. Anytime you loan money with little or NO down payment and loan up to 125%+ of the market value of that home, you have set those individuals up to "Fail". As a result, those individuals were unable to make the mortgage payments and the snowball started.

Dodd and Frank whole heartily supported the above practices and that was the problem that caused the whole scenario to take place.
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# 2012-07-27 15:15
As I keep saying, the problems with Fannie and Freddie were NOT what caused the whole scenario. Lehman Bros. happened first. AIG happened first. Even TARP happened first. So did the crisis in Europe. It's funny how conservatives talk as if the only thing that happened was Fannie and Freddie. And the only people at fault were democrats. It's patently ridiculous.

The selling and parceling of toxic debt in the form of derivatives was at the heart of what was going on at the big banks. Much of that debt came from the realty sector, but the willful and fraudulent selling of toxicity was not much different than Enron writ large. It's all about the idea of not regulating the financial sector. Fannie and Freddie are huge and merely symptomatic of the bigger problem. But they didn't start it.
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# 2012-07-22 20:00
Quoting Christopher Williams:
The short answer to your first question is "greed." The more complex answer is "globalization,".


In the earlier response, my reference was regarding the "1%" you refer to.

With regard to the above quote, is this "greed" or just making use of a good accountant and "smart business" for those individuals like Schultz, Romney and others?

This "Problem", as you seem to see it, could be eliminated if we get our tax rates in line (competitively) with the rest of the industrialized world. There is NO reason that business and personal taxes for citizens of the USA are not in line with the rest of the world.
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# 2012-07-27 15:22
The effective federal corporate tax rate for the U.S. is actually significantly lower than that of other developed nations. Revenue from such taxes is also a much lower percentage of GDP than it is for other nations. Although in some comparisons the official tax _rate_ is the highest, most of those other countries also have VAT taxes. Warren Buffett: "The interesting thing about the corporate rate is that corporate profits, as a percentage of GDP last year were the highest or just about the highest in the last 50 years. They were ten and a fraction percent of GDP. That’s higher than we’ve seen in 50 years. The corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP were 1.2 percent, $180 billion. That’s just about the lowest we’ve seen."
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# 2012-07-21 14:09
i agree Christopher
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# 2012-07-26 14:29
Sooooo why did it take so long for Obama to show his birth records and was it real or fake? What's the purpose of showing your income for several years?

I think the US birth is part of the qualifications for running.
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# 2012-07-27 15:28
So, Suzzie,while you seem distrustful of politicians and their dishonesty, and the corrupting force of insane amounts of money, and say many things that suggest sympathy with the platform of the Democratic Party, one of the main reason you are going to vote Republican is you are a "birther?"

Obama didn't make his birth records an issue. The people accusing him of not being born in the US did. Hawaii authorities had answered inquiries prior to his running, and he only started publishing photocopies of the birth certificate in order to shut up the insanity. Despite multiple official confirmations about the birth certificate, there are still people who don't believe it.

Has any presidential candidate be subject to so much nonsense about his citizenship before? No. But it doesn't make it his fault.
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# 2012-07-19 09:49
Facts:
Bowling Green is in Wood County.
Clinton won Wood County twice.
Bush won Wood County twice.
Ted Strickland won Wood county twice.
Obama won Wood County.

Wood County is a true 'purple' county and in the state that picks Presidents, it is one of a dozen swing Counties that will choose the next President.
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# 2012-07-19 12:58
Heaven help us!
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# 2012-07-19 12:20
Comrade
Most governments supply infrastructure, To use your logic the Soviet Union should have been a big success! Nice try we all know what Obama stands for.
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# 2012-07-19 15:15
This makes no sense. After a constant drumbeat in conservative media and politician have been on a drumbeat that we need less public education, after the "jobs bill" wasn't even brought up for a vote, after claims that the "stimulus" was mere cronyism for the unions that would be involved in repairing the infrastructure, you glibly say 'most governments supply infrastructure.' Really?

And, as to the Soviet Union--it had ridiculously poor infrastructure. "We all know what Obama stands for"? Really? No. You have just decided that there are a bunch of things that you hate and then decided (with the support of your favorite media sources) that Obama stands for them. Whether he does or not. It is a childish and incompetent way to approach dealing with issues that are really quite important.
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# 2012-07-19 17:40
By the time I finished reading all these posts, my head hurts too much to make a comment, this bickering is what is wrong with this election .
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# 2012-07-19 18:38
All this partisan bickering is a stupid sideshow. Isn't it OBVIOUS to you that the US is becoming the next major global FAILURE?!?!?

Seriously, Romney and Obama WORK FOR THE SAME FEW CORPORATIONS!!!

I cannot WAIT until your inane little system collapses so you all can start starving like the rest of us. Maybe then you will get with reality.
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# 2012-07-21 15:55
oh so your answer to the problem is Ron Paul the man with a agenda... Like trying to get his son a job in the white house....
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# 2012-07-22 07:57
I don't think Brian is a Paul supporter, based on his patterns of commentary.
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# 2012-07-19 23:28
One more time....

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
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# 2012-07-20 07:30
These points are oft repeated, but only make sense if they were even being attempted. They are not. We do not live in a communist or even socialist state; it is a mixed economy of public and private investment.

1-5 are also only relevant if you view the economy as a "pie" that never increases its capacity.

Let's pose a different scenario:
1. when more people have access to prosperity without having to fend off basic needs, they increase demand in the economy, helping everybody.
2. dollars spent on infrastructure, education, and health care are not spent on you directly help you in the long run because you don't have to pay through the nose for crisis management. (Emergency-room health care not only does not involve preventive care for the individuals but hits you in increased cost).
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# 2012-07-20 10:19
[quote name="Christopher Williams"]


Let's pose a different scenario:
1. when more people have access to prosperity without having to fend off basic needs, they increase demand in the economy, helping everybody.
2. dollars spent on infrastructure, education, and health care are not spent on you directly help you in the long run because you don't have to pay through the nose for crisis management.

Comrade
The welfare state has failed and the promoters of the"Great Society" have no proof of it lifting up the poor, take off your blinders and look at the inner cities. It is safer in the Middle east then Chicago which has been ruled by your Obama theology for more then a century.
More of the same will not help!
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# 2012-07-20 11:49
Idiot:

I have just described Germany. A successful mixed economy with plenty of private entrepreneurshi p, universal health care, a functional and effective public education system, and the most stable economy in Europe. You have once again proven that you can't think past your talking points.

Once again: based on his policies, the president is not even a socialist, let alone a communist. Any assertion to the contrary has repeatedly earned the "pants on fire" from Politifact.

Calling a person "comrade" doesn't make them a communist. So, please take your sandbox McCarthyism, your shovel, and your pail, go home, and read a book. You might learn something.
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# 2012-07-20 12:00
I should add that for someone who has so often "responded" to my postings on the Sentinel blog over the past couple years, you show very little understanding of where I am coming from. I do not espouse an "Obama theology" (besides which there is no such thing). You also seem to confuse the concepts "welfare state" and "safety net." Maybe the distinction is too subtle for you. Just as the difference between Keynes and Marx is completely lost on you.

I guess you are arguing that an up-to-date infrastructure and vital public education system are just pie-in-the-sky communism or "welfare state" theology. Because that's as much sense as I can make out of this drivel. By your reasoning, even Romney is a Marxist.
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# 2012-07-20 08:57
Very wise!

quote Margaret Thatcher

"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."
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# 2012-07-20 11:51
And yet Sweden, Germany, and several other western, anti-communist countries she would call "socialist" are doing a lot better than "austerity" Britain.

And yet Thatcher never touched the national health care system.
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# 2012-07-20 07:40
This is going to be a long and ridiculous four months if we can't agree on the following:

1. The president is eligible to be president, excelled in school, and is not an idiot.
2. Romney is an intelligent and rational human being.
3. the president is not a Muslim, and Huma Abedin is not a threat. Nor are other American Muslims.
4. All American citizens are protected by the constitution, not just conservative Christians.
5. Personal profit does not equal job creation. A mixed economy is not communism.

There are important debates to be had about the extent of public investment in infrastructure, how to handle ongoing war and the changes in the middle east, how to reform entitlements without shredding the social safety net, how to create jobs and ensure long-term growth.
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# 2012-07-21 14:15
Mr Williams you have the facts and yet they are still questioning it is amazing they only have a opoinion you base your answer on facts.... Thank you, but don't waste your precious time with these republicans who voted for bush twice...
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