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Written by By JAN LARSON Sentinel County Edit   
Monday, 22 November 2010 10:16
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Chrystal Thompson at Board of Elections this morning. (Photo: J.D. Pooley/Sentinel-Tribune)

The crowd spilled out into the hallway, waiting to hear the fate of the Bowling Green anti-discrimination ordinances - a race too close to call on election night. When the numbers were reported, the silence was broken by cheers. And a couple women, now with new-found support in their community, openly kissed and hugged.
Both ordinances passed, one with 52.67 percent of the vote and the other with 51.65 percent.
"I feel a little overwhelmed," said Kay Chapman, who worked on the campaign. "My faith in the people of Bowling Green has been restored and I guess it's time to let the healing begin."


As of election night, without the provisional ballots being counted, BG Ordinance 7905 was passing 4,104 to 4,080, and Ordinance 7906 was losing 4,003 to 4,119. But after the counting of the provisional ballots, likely many of them from BGSU students, Ordinance 7905 passed 4,767 to 4,284 and Ordinance 7906 passed 4,635 to 4,338. The margins are wide enough that no automatic recount is required.
Those opposed to the ordinances said the close margin is notable, considering the concerted efforts to get BGSU students to support the issues.
"It's extremely close," said Crystal Thompson, spokesperson for the anti-ordinance effort. "We were extremely close considering we were outspent by eight times."
Thompson said the earlier numbers, which showed both ordinances being soundly defeated, better reflected the feelings of true BG residents.
"The city clearly didn't want it," Thompson said this morning.
However, Kim Welter, campaign manager for ONE BG, said the victory is not due purely to student voters.
"I don't think most of BG believes gay and transgender people ought to be discriminated against," she said.
Ordinance 7905 forbids landlords from evicting or refusing to rent to people because of their sexual orientation. Ordinance 7906 makes it unlawful for businesses to fire, refuse to hire, or refuse to serve a person because of sexual orientation. Council passed the ordinances in August 2009, but the laws were put on hold when an opposition group submitted referendum petitions to put the issues up for a city-wide vote.
Mary Vollmar, an opponent of the ordinances, said this morning that the new laws are just the start of a deterioration of traditional values. The ordinances, she said, are the first step to dissolve the sanctity of one man-one woman marriages in Ohio.
"People, especially young adults, need to wake up," Vollmar said.
But Welter objected to that logic, saying 17 other Ohio cities already have similar ordinances in place - many for over a decade - yet marriage laws in the state have not been changed. The ordinances, she said, simply provide a way to handle discrimination issues locally.
"It's a way to give people an option if they choose to report discrimination," she said.
The campaign brought topics into public discussion that before had been hushed. Gay and transgender community members talked about discrimination they have faced in the past.
"We're all so proud of every person who stood up and spoke out," said Darlene Bevelhymer, treasurer of the ONE BG campaign.
"This is a day to be proud of our community and to be proud of every person who stepped up to be part of this decision," said Jane Rosser, ONE BG chairperson.
And now the healing must begin, since the campaign split some members of the community. Rosser said it is up to BG residents to make the ordinances work and make the city a welcoming community by reaching out to everyone - "regardless of what yard sign they had in front of their house."
On election night, when it initially appeared the ordinances had been soundly defeated, Thompson said her organization would next target city council members who passed the ordinances.
"They're next," she said. "We're voting them out - all of them." She added that Mike Frost, the one councilmember to vote against the ordinances, would not be targeted. "We'll let Frost stay."
However, this morning, Thompson said any future action by her organization is yet unknown.
"We'll wait and see," she said.

The Wood County Board of Elections this morning announced that Ordinances 7905 and 7906 in Bowling Green were approved.
Ordinance 7905 — 4,765 yes; 4284 no.
Ordinance 7906 — 4,635 yes; 4,338 no.
The margin of victory is sufficient to avoid an automatic recount. 

 


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BGSU students and ONE campaign volunteers Raisa Mathis, left, and Michelle Moomau look over electioin results. (Photo: J.D. Pooley/Sentinel-Tribune)


Last Updated on Monday, 22 November 2010 13:44
 

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# 2010-11-22 10:21
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.
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# 2010-11-22 12:11
You realize there was nothing to prevent that before legally, right?
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# 2010-11-22 12:34
LOL! Sure. That's going to happen. Bowling Green swarming with transvestite men, spilling from local ladies rooms into our streets. LOL!
Get a grip, 'concerned parent'. More like, 'misinformed parent' or 'buys into the scare tactics parent'.
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# 2010-11-22 13:12
Well that's just ignorant, "Concerned Parent". Guess you fell for the "WeSCareBG" tactics.
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# 2010-11-22 13:21
Like it or not, One BG, close to half of the BG residents were not in favor of these resolutions and do not appreciate what they stand for. The professional activists did a good job..now they can move on to another college town and
cause animosity.
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# 2010-11-23 08:06
Actually the campaign was staffed by a great many local people who will continue to work together to make BG a safe and welcoming place for all families. I did meet a few staff members who were not from BG, but not many.
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# 2010-11-23 09:44
this was nothing more then a professional "hit" on family values for no other reason to prove a point and wave a finger at people minding there own business. There was no discrimination problem in BG until these idiots proposed this garbage.
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# 2010-11-23 12:30
I'm curious as to why so many people assume that discrimination against LBGT people is not a problem in BG? What is that opinion based on? Just because you don't know of anyone being discriminated against doesn't mean it isn't happening. The people who proposed these ordinances were not "outsiders" and surely not "idiots".
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# 2010-11-23 14:08
correction: this "garbage" was alraedy passed by city council, and was not a "problem" until the oponenets went around lying to people in order to get them to sign a petition. thanks
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# 2010-11-24 13:14
So you think "family values" includes legislating discrimination against an oppressed minority, Silly?

You remind me of some other folk who think it's "family values" to keep women barefoot and pregnant and put black back in the back of the bus...
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# 2010-11-23 08:42
Furthermore, it was the people of BG who made this choice, nobody else.
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# 2010-11-22 13:30
CP -- You have more to fear of a heterosexual man whom you *know* molesting your daughter than some random stranger (let alone a cross-dresser!) attacking your daughter in the ladies toilet!

There has *never* been an incident of a transsexual or crossdresser assaulting someone in the ladies toilet, and even if there were, they would *still* be in violation of the law!

The fact is, there's more of a chance of the *transgender* person being assaulted, than the other way around.
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# 2010-11-22 13:30
I missed the part of the ordinances that talked about cross-dressing. I find this interesting since I read them several times. Did you?
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# 2010-11-22 13:42
A man "dressed as a woman" can enter a bathroom now. Last time I checked nobody stands outside of bathrooms verifying you "belong". Child abuse is STILL illegal. Give me a break.
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# 2010-11-22 13:43
Stop being so scared and believing everything you hear. Nothing about restrooms has changed. The amended ordinances are NOT about restrooms -- they are about HOUSING AND EMPLOYMENT!
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# 2010-11-22 13:48
you're paranoid. you should worry about scarier things than that like your daughter being taught that discrimination is ok.
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# 2010-11-22 13:48
What part of 'you can't discriminate against LGBTQIA people when it comes to housing and jobs' means that a drag queen would go into a restroom with your daughter? It's mentioned nowhere.

I also like how no one paid attention to the clauses that also included pregnant women and veterans. Glad to know that people hate gays enough to also hate their veterans and women who would give birth to the next generation (and hopefully have the sense to tell them that the reason they're on the streets is because someone is so full of hate that they want to tell people how to live their lives when it is none of their business, and that their child should never hate anyone for being who they are)
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# 2010-11-22 13:50
Quoting Concerned Parent:
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.

You really, really don't get it, do you? These ordinances have NOTHING to do with bathrooms. You have been lied to. Do some basic research and stop being so terrified of everything.
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# 2010-11-22 13:51
CP, you have quite the active imagination. If that's what you spend your time worrying about then you must not have any real problems in your life.
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# 2010-11-22 14:35
I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not.
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# 2010-11-22 14:37
"They" were already in the bathroom, and further more (and statistically speaking) you should be more worried about your daughters uncle, cousin, or family friend.
Most molestation does not happen in a public place. Discrimination apparently does though. You should be ashamed of yourself and god will punish you for being a bigot!
It is your right to leave bowling green. Leave it to the loving accepting christian's who follow Jesus's true message.
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# 2010-11-22 14:58
There were never any laws to prevent that before.
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# 2010-11-23 09:50
Attacking children is and always has been AGAINST the law. You people are feeding the fear. that was NOT was this was about.
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# 2010-11-22 15:40
Quoting Concerned Parent:
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.
Of course in 30 years there's never been a recorded case of that happening - and such laws being used as a defence. Not once. Not in the 40% of the USA already covered by such laws. Now that they've lost, the liars who started this scare campaign will just move on to the next fight. Your usefulness to them is ended.
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# 2010-11-22 15:48
Haven't you already been worrying about the possible presence of thieves, bullies, child molesters, and other sorts of persons that can use the women's "public" restroom? If you're worried about your daughter, go in the bathroom with her for goodness sake. There are lots of good reasons to do so the least of which is a tiny chance that a man dressed as a woman who is interested in your daughter would be in there.
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# 2010-11-22 15:50
Quoting Concerned Parent:
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.


If this is all you have to worry about in life, you're quite fortunate. The odds of coming across a crossdresser in a restroom are infinitesimal. The odds of finding a crossdressing child molester is beyond remote. You would be better served worrying about that “funny uncle” in your family.
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# 2010-11-22 15:54
You're kidding, right? Thanks for spreading more misinformation about the transgender community. You really don't understand that a trans person is not a creeper trying to molest your daughter. Find me some facts on how often that happens. Then find some facts on how often trans people are murdered just for being themselves. Eh, never mind. You don't want to educate yourself.
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# 2010-11-22 16:02
Great now I have to worry that an intolerant Concerned Parent walks the streets of BG with my children.
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# 2010-11-23 10:54
Amen! That is exactly my fear.
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# 2010-11-23 12:04
Love it!
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# 2010-11-22 16:11
ugghh!! STOP IT! These ordinances are NOT about allowing pedophiles to hang out in bathrooms waiting to molest children! Just STOP IT!
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# 2010-11-22 16:22
My oh my. You bought the lie. In all the other cities, all over the US, where similar ordnances have passed, there have been no problems with men dressing as women and going into women's restrooms. Maybe you are suggesting that you (or a male you know) might be tempted to do this? If so, seek help.
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# 2010-11-22 16:46
Quoting Concerned Parent:
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.

A VERY good reason for women to take a self-defense course. Heaven help a cross-dresser that comes into a bathroom where my wife is at...IF she doesn't put his lights out, I will when he comes out!
It's not hard to see how these laws were passed..many so-called Christian churches now condone homosexuals in their clergy. IF you attend one of these churches (shame on you), have them show you in the Bible where it is OK...they can't do it.
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# 2010-11-24 13:23
Ed -- You *do* know that if your wife does that, she could be charged with assault, right? Not to mention be liable for a civil suit too! I *do* hope you have either a good lawyer, or deep pockets, 'cause if does that to me, your family would be in a world of trouble!
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# 2010-11-24 14:49
You gotta make a living somehow?
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# 2010-11-22 17:30
This a joke, right? To actually come up with a situation as ridiculous as a crossdresser coming in to the bathroom with your daughter, means you have way too much time on your hands and I think you may be the sick one.
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# 2010-11-22 21:01
Didn't you worry about the gay women in the restroom that may be attracted to your daughter???? What's the difference?
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# 2010-11-22 21:03
Why did it take so long to count?!???! Something is obviously very wrong with the system! A few hundred votes could be counted and recounted and recounted in a few hours. And if they weren't filed correctly from the start the the people voting weren't intelligent enough to be voting.
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# 2010-11-23 08:08
They followed the law. Provisional votes have to be verified, which means verifying that the voter didn't vote elsewhere. It takes a little time. The Board of Elections did exactly what they were supposed to do. A
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# 2010-11-23 19:23
Actually, Kate, it wasn't "a few hundred" but more like *1,648* provisional votes all over the county! I believe I had six in my precinct (P'bug Twp 650) alone.

The BOE were *required* by law to verify those ballots within ten days, plus allow for the mail to deliver any ballot sent overseas with a postmark before 7:30pm Nov. 2nd.
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# 2010-11-23 09:49
GEt over yourself Concerned parent. That was not the issue.
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# 2010-11-23 12:05
Historically and statistically, YOU are more of a threat to your daughter!
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# 2010-11-27 21:29
Concerned parent: Isn't it more likely that your daughter gets attacked by a big, muscular, butch lesbian? Bet you didn't think of that....
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# 2010-11-22 11:09
I guess I can never own and rent out property in bg. I'm glad to know Bowling Green was able to put into effect laws that infringe on my first ammendment rights. As a god fearing man I can not knowingly allow. someone to commit a sin. And I will refuse to rent to those I know who will be committing the sin of homosexuality. How the rights of the homosexual have overpowered the rights of a christian, muslim, or jew is distgusting.
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# 2010-11-22 12:39
Sounds like you'd be better off in Saudi Arabia. Their society embraces just the sort of discrimination you endorse.
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# 2010-11-22 13:50
The First Amendment forbids the censoring of speech, religion, and the press from the *government*. Not the people. Therefore hate speech is illegal.
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# 2010-11-22 17:31
Quoting Annoyed Civilian:
The First Amendment forbids the censoring of speech, religion, and the press from the *government*. Not the people. Therefore hate speech is illegal.


If that's true, then there is no law that says it's illegal, and therefore it isn't illegal. Maybe in poor taste, but not illegal. But I don't buy your premise in the first place!
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# 2010-11-23 07:42
Usually, hate speech is used as an enhancement when another criminal act has happened: assault, grevious bodily harm, murder, etc. Otherwise, I agree.

You can spew as much bile towards me as you like, sweetie. But if such invective causes you or someone else to assault me, then it's not... repeat, NOT protected by the First Amendment!
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# 2010-11-22 13:52
"Ahmad" -- Your personal religious beliefs have no bearing when it comes to civil law. The Free Exercise Clause does not... repeat, DOES NOT supersede the non-discrimination laws of this country. It has been this way LONG before the LGBT community became politically active!

I would also like to remind you that people once used personal religious beliefs as justification to deny racial minorities *their* equal rights under our *secular* Constitution -- including the right to vote and marry!

I respectfully suggest you educate yourself on the ins and outs of the Constitution, for you seem unable to fathom the fact that religion is irrelevant when it comes to the rights guaranteed by our *secular* Constitution.
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# 2010-11-22 14:04
It is not your place to judge. That is God's place. You are entitled to your own opinion, but treating someone who is homosexual as someone who is less than human is shameful and disgusting. You should focus on getting rid of all the hatred and anger you feel toward other people and focus on acceptance and forgiveness, not judgment.
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# 2010-11-22 17:02
Quoting Christian:
It is not your place to judge. That is God's place. You are entitled to your own opinion, but treating someone who is homosexual as someone who is less than human is shameful and disgusting. You should focus on getting rid of all the hatred and anger you feel toward other people and focus on acceptance and forgiveness, not judgment.

It IS a Christian's duty to discern between right and wrong. It is also a right to NOT condone sin. That said, all Christians should still treat others the way they want to be treated! That does not mean you can't voice your opinion or stand up for what it right.
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# 2010-11-22 14:46
@ahmad, I don't know what's more "distgusting": your bigotry or the fact that you can't spell DISGUSTING.
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# 2010-11-22 15:37
Quoting ahmad:
I guess I can never own and rent out property in bg. I'm glad to know Bowling Green was able to put into effect laws that infringe on my first ammendment rights. As a god fearing man I can not knowingly allow. someone to commit a sin. And I will refuse to rent to those I know who will be committing the sin of homosexuality.
Or Idolatory, so no Hindus. Or those who eat shellfish. Or those who work on Saturday, violating the Sabbath.
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# 2010-11-23 13:04
Awesome point!
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# 2010-11-22 15:43
Quoting ahmad:
I guess I can never own and rent out property in bg. I'm glad to know Bowling Green was able to put into effect laws that infringe on my first ammendment rights. As a god fearing man I can not knowingly allow. someone to commit a sin. And I will refuse to rent to those I know who will be committing the sin of homosexuality. How the rights of the homosexual have overpowered the rights of a christian, muslim, or jew is distgusting.

From the Christian perspective, being a Muslim or a Jew is sinful. From the Islamic perspective, being a Christian or a Jew is sinful. From the Jewish perspective, being Christian or Muslim is sinful. If you are willing to rent to someone of a different faith, then you are a hypocrite.
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# 2010-11-22 16:01
Alright ahmad, go for it. Refuse to rent to them. Just know that now you'll be breaking the law. Sorry.
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# 2010-11-22 16:14
It was also once considered sinful and evil if a black man and a white woman lived together - would you have refused to rent to them also? How about a Jewish man and Christian woman - also a sin.
What if I worshiped a golden onion? Would you rent to me?
What if I eat shellfish - also a sin - would you rent to me?
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# 2010-11-22 16:37
Im Sorry Ahmad I am a christian and I do not condone homosexuality at all. I cant say that I am for the ordinances that passed either. However you comment seems alittle bias and ignorant, seeing that God allows the sun to shine on gays and straights alike. To treat individuals as humans does not mean you condone their behavior, but it does show that you love them and you pray that they will see that Christ died for the gay and the straights alike. You cany allow or keep someone from sinning but you can love and pray for them. Lets not take a stand against the wrong things...Lets take a stand for Christ. He is the ultimate answere and no sin is greater than another..Lord knows people are living in idolatry, adultery, and fornication and it goes over looked all the time.
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# 2010-11-22 16:54
Even assuming the Bible is the final word on everything, where in the Bible does it say that it's YOUR job to keep OTHERS from sinning? I don't remember that verse. Isn't it everyone's job to worry about their OWN sin? Stop policing and judging, it's not your job. To quote Jesus, "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone" John 8:7
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# 2010-11-22 17:32
This is America, get over it and move to Zambia if you've got a problem with tolerance and equality.
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# 2010-11-22 20:02
Sad for you, christian white homophobic man! I'm not entirely sure any renter would want you for a landlord - given you think you can control what a renter does in said property.

Probably you've never read the Ohio tenants rights. They don't include you. Good thing.
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# 2010-11-23 01:33
How is it your right or responsibility to "allow one to sin"? Your responsibility as a "god fearing man" should not be to judge anyone (John 8:7) however to love despite whatever sin they committed. Frankly, why is your business how someone sins? I'm just saying you don't have to agree with the lifestyle of others but you should definitely not be judging them. GOD IS LOVE NOT HATE!
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# 2010-11-23 22:58
Quoting ahmad:
I guess I can never own and rent out property in bg. I'm glad to know Bowling Green was able to put into effect laws that infringe on my first ammendment rights. As a god fearing man I can not knowingly allow. someone to commit a sin. And I will refuse to rent to those I know who will be committing the sin of homosexuality. How the rights of the homosexual have overpowered the rights of a christian, muslim, or jew is distgusting.

I think God would want you to love them and find a way to bring them closer to Him. Leave the judgement to God
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# 2010-11-24 04:30
sounds like another one of the many bigots who hide behind religion and who should leave our fair town, lest they taint our young children
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# 2010-11-22 11:24
I'm so very glad these finally passed and we can all get on with our lives..and shame on all the people that are so against being equal in all things..My faith has been restored in bowling green..
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# 2010-11-22 15:58
Quoting mary:
I'm so very glad these finally passed and we can all get on with our lives..and shame on all the people that are so against being equal in all things..My faith has been restored in bowling green..


I completely agree. The ignorant discrimination of people who are blind to anything but stereotypes absolutely disgusts me. Particularly those individuals who don't quite understand the American system of separating church from state. Even as a Catholic, I find dragging religious beliefs into this situation to be offensive.
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# 2010-11-22 16:45
I absolutely agree! I am extremely offended and disgusted by the remarks from so-called Christians on this site. I would hope that none of these people attend my church, because I would never like to be associated with that kind of hate and intolerance.
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# 2010-11-23 22:14
Good Point Christian,

Jesus rocked the boat so should we. Jesus was radically inclusive we have emulated that with the passaged of 7905 and 7906. We have put our laws in line with the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles. While Mary Volmer contends traditional Christian morals are being broke down I contend another questionable moral value (or more appropriately a lack there of)joined the ranks of slavery, womens sufferage, racial discrimination and now sexual orientation discrimination got resolved in the rule of law as the framers of the constitution envisioned. We are a better Nation as a result of what happened in our electorate.
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# 2010-11-22 21:06
These ordinances don't make anything more "equal" they simply give the lawyers another avenue to use to make money in the sue happy country
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# 2010-11-23 00:20
Quoting Kate:
These ordinances don't make anything more "equal" they simply give the lawyers another avenue to use to make money in the sue happy country


No, excuse me, they make bigots "LEGALLY ACCOUNTABLE" for their discrimination and hatred against humanity, all humanity. How many years out are we already from the first "hate crime" legal acknowledgement in this country? Get with the right thing to do, the people have voted, and rightly so!
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# 2010-11-23 07:47
Kate... have you not read the papers, or the comments on the other letters?

The *first* thing which happens is *arbitration*! Multiple attempts! By local *volunteers* at NO cost to the city!

Arbitration!
Arbitration!
Arbitration!

This is to save *both* sides time and money by not having to go to a lawyer or wade through the bureaucracy of either the EEOC and/or the Ohio Civil Rights Commission.
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# 2010-11-22 12:37
City council must revise the ordinances so all of Bowling Green is comfortable with it. There is a middle ground all of us can live with. Remove gender expression completely to protect privacy, housing units with less than 10 bedrooms are exempt to protect individuals who rent small units, and all religious organizations are exempt to protect freedom of religion.
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# 2010-11-22 17:06
Landlords who rent out portions of their own house are already exempt. As are religious organizations. Please read the ordinances.

Removing "gender expression" doesn't protect privacy; it turns private citizens-- such as transgender people-- into objects of public witch hunts.
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# 2010-11-23 07:51
Newman, honey... *everyone* has a gender expression!!

Straight women who may love wearing flannel and jeans and has short hair may get mistaken for being lesbian. A male who prefers wearing tops which look more like a blouse may get mistaken for being gay or transgender.

I've seen men who have more earrings than the average woman... that's a gender expression.
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# 2010-11-22 12:50
Thank you, BG voters, and to ONE Bowling Green for seeing this through to today's finale. And Mary Vollmar, if homophobia is a traditional value, then I and the majority of BG voters are happy to see it go.
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# 2010-11-22 13:16
Change the welcome signs at the city limits to "Welcome To BROKE BACK BOWLING GREEN".
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# 2010-11-22 17:04
You lost.....now go away TROLL
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# 2010-11-23 13:38
Quoting Amanda:
You lost.....now go away TROLL

Ahh..another warm, fuzzy comment from one of those who are happy to have created an environment where all are accepted.
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# 2010-11-23 09:52
Grow up snapper. Still perpetuating the fear....
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# 2010-11-23 16:01
SH - There you are...thought the big bad transgenders scared you out of town. (Actually, that was more wishful thinking.)
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# 2010-11-23 18:20
snapperhead,I think you should seriously think about moving to a different city.Its people like you that make me want to puke.go away and bother someone else with your troll ways.
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# 2010-11-23 23:43
You do realize SH that one of the main characters in that film was murdered for being gay, right?
and to Old Fogey- are you familiar with the hate that has been continuously spread by "snapperhead"? He has insulted and threatened LGBT people and their supporters on a regular basis. Please don't be so quick to judge where people are coming from.
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# 2010-11-24 13:25
I accept Snapperhead for who he is and that he has freedom of speech. That's a lesson in Acceptance for all of you folks who have been spewing equality and love for all mankind. Name calling seems a bit unnecessary.
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# 2010-11-27 19:10
No Old Fogey- I'm not talking about "free speech" I'm talking about hate speech which is not covered under any kind of law. The argument of free speech is so over-used people don't even know why that is part of our constitution anymore. It's part of the Bill of Rights so that citizens can speak freely against the government without retribution. Someone spewing hateful speech against a group of people (like snapperhead has done countless times against LGBT people) is not acceptable.
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# 2010-11-22 13:29
egads, there's already enough sour grapes in the comments section to make a bottle of whine. You people just won all the state offices of Ohio, the US and Ohio House of Representatives , the marijuana proposition in California, and darn near majority control of the US Senate and you're still unhappy.
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# 2010-11-22 13:38
Quoting Concerned Parent:
Great now I have to worry when I send my daughter to a public restroom that a man dressed as a woman (and still attracted to women) is going in there with her.

IF you haven't had this worry before, you are quite naive...at least now you might be able to tell...
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# 2010-11-22 13:42
GBLTQ,now you have your GAY CAPITAL...Time for the Pride Parade..
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# 2010-11-22 20:06
You're precious, thinking Bowling Green, Ohio is the (?) gay capital....of what? The Black Swamp? Like there was much else vying for the prize of swampland queen?
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# 2010-11-23 09:53
BG: a city that does not discriminate housing or job based on sexual orientation. Don't worry snapper, they will still rent and hire bigots like you.
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# 2010-11-22 13:46
I'm extremely glad these passed, and the waiting is over. I would like to take a moment to firs think the Sentinel for providing great coverage on this story, as well as publishing so many letters and comments on both sides of this issue. I would also like to think all those who voted yes, as well as the ONE Bowling Green campaign!
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# 2010-11-23 07:52
Agreed, Spring... kudos to Jan and the staff of the S-T... they should be considered for multiple awards for their balanced and fair coverage!
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# 2010-11-22 13:54
In my experience, hate, fear and ignorance are often intermingled.

I challenge any of my fellow Christians to present a cogent argument as to how the recognition of all of God's children as worthy of love (His and thus that required of all Christians) will somehow affect heterosexual relationships and marriage.

Scripture tells us that God does not turn away any who love Him.
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# 2010-11-22 17:07
Quoting Bob Walker:
In my experience, hate, fear and ignorance are often intermingled.

I challenge any of my fellow Christians to present a cogent argument as to how the recognition of all of God's children as worthy of love (His and thus that required of all Christians) will somehow affect heterosexual relationships and marriage.

Scripture tells us that God does not turn away any who love Him.

IF they truly love Him, they will turn away from their sin and ask foregiveness. To continue sinning is no less than spitting in our Lord's face and complete denial of His Saving Grace.
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# 2010-11-24 13:41
If that's the case Ed, dear... then why aren't you protesting at the churches here in BG who have women as lay leaders and pastors? What about women who don't wear skirts and dresses all the time and wear slacks and jeans? They're "sinning" too!
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# 2010-11-22 14:20
I'm so relieved these passed. I have been grinning for about an hour straight, and it shows no signs of fading any time soon.
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# 2010-11-22 14:24
So when do the magic variances that were promised to BG Christian Schools and others start being handed out from this poorly written anti-business ordinance?

Hopefully this can be put back on the ballot in the summer when brainwashed kids will be out of town at their real homes.
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# 2010-11-23 07:55
You *are* silly, Silly!

First, the BGCA IS exempt as they are a *private* school, same as St. Al's!

Second, it's PRO-business, as it expands the base from which a business can attract customers and tenets!

Third, the voting schedule is up to the Secretary of State, NOT the local BOE! Go educate yourself, fool.
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# 2010-11-23 10:27
First, the city attorney announced prior to the election that both BGCA & St Al's would be subject to the ordinance and would need a variance.

Second, are you saying there are no elections held from mid May - Aug? Really? Hopefully something to repeal this garbage can get onto a ballot when the out of students are back at their real homes.

Third, not sure how you can hint this frivolous ordinance as being even remotely pro-business. It's just another unneeded hurdle in trying bring employment here.
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# 2010-11-23 19:18
Silly -- There are specific times set by the Secretary of State what kind of elections can be held and when.

For example, the petitions to put the ordinances on the ballot were filed in October of last year. There was a primary back in May, and Ohio had special elections in August, but it was ineligible for a vote at that time. Municipal elections are only held at certain times during certain years.

It's the height of prejudice to demand local issues only be voted on in the summer.
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# 2010-11-22 14:30
Crystal Thompson seems like a spiteful and hate-filled individual based on her comments. The results of this election show Bowling Green has had enough of the bigotry and hatred shown by this contemptible "No" movement.
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# 2010-11-22 14:35
Funny, if you look at the first two comments and substitute the words "colored people", it is 1950 all over again. The ordinances you people "fear" are in place in 13 state, DC and over 100 communities. Never an incident. Only bigotry. Tired old arguments. They fight for their right to be bigots and hide behind old time religion, as if that makes it ok. Their right to free speech is the right to hate. They confuse what sin is. Hate is a sin. They revel in it.
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# 2010-11-22 14:36
I refuse to support a community that stands for sin against GOD. I will no longer do any kind of shopping,dining or spending any of my hard earned money in BG.
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# 2010-11-22 23:25
Oh, thank GOD. I was beginning to worry. Bye bye. Have a nice trip to... Oppressionville !
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# 2010-11-24 19:30
bye,bye..we don't need people like you here.
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# 2010-11-23 16:23
Good. Stay away.
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# 2010-11-22 14:36
"And a couple women, now with new-found support in their community, openly kissed and hugged."

Sorry, but this is just plain sick. I'm very thankful I don't have to claim BG as my hometown. Next thing you know, murder will be okay and lawful -- since the Bible is so wrong and everything.
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# 2010-11-22 17:08
As a member of that couple: we're glad you don't have to claim BG as your hometown, too!
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# 2010-11-22 23:26
AMEN! :-)
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# 2010-11-23 11:19
Good for you, Adrienne. I might just walk down the street hand-in-hand with my partner...just because winning feels SO GOOD! ONE BOWLING GREEN - WON BOWLING GREEN!!!!
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# 2010-11-24 13:42
If you got the chance to see that on WTOL, Adrienne bussed her sweetie on the temple, not the lips...
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# 2010-11-22 18:17
Get a grip. The translation you use was made hundreds of years before they even didcovered tons of evidence of the language Jesus and his deciples spoke. If you do not seek Gods word in that light only the blood of Christ will get you into heaven. Challange yourself try to learn what Jesus really said. Go wiht history and Jesus not the Jesus Scribes and Pharasees passed on to you.
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# 2010-11-23 16:26
Yeah- because 2 people who love and respect each other is so relatable to murder.
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# 2010-11-22 14:36
"And a couple women, now with new-found support in their community, openly kissed and hugged."

Sorry, but this is just plain sick. I'm very thankful I don't have to claim BG as my hometown. Next thing you know, murder will be okay and lawful -- since the Bible is so wrong and everything.
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# 2010-11-22 14:43
I will no longer spend my hard earned money in a community that is against GOD and believes that homosexuality is ok. God loves the sinner but hates the sin and he will not recognize the sinner until they turn from the sin. It is clearly stated in the BIBLE. I will travel for my necessities and I hope that every other christian will also. GOD said his way isn't going to be easy in a world full of sin but he is worth the hardship.
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# 2010-11-22 16:59
That is your choice; however, remember that by taking your business elsewhere you're also punishing the people/businesses who agree with you.

I'm sure somewhere there is a list of businesses who opposed these ordinances. You could try to frequent only those places. Maybe if you're lucky that trend will spread. There could be a palpable divide in town.

Perhaps the groups could start wearing arm bands to designate themselves. Then we could avoid each other on the street.
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# 2010-11-22 17:15
Quoting a GOD fearing woman:
I will no longer spend my hard earned money in a community that is against GOD and believes that homosexuality is ok. God loves the sinner but hates the sin and he will not recognize the sinner until they turn from the sin. It is clearly stated in the BIBLE. I will travel for my necessities and I hope that every other christian will also. GOD said his way isn't going to be easy in a world full of sin but he is worth the hardship.

That's fine. I prefer to dine and shop with those who accept all people, regardless of their personal choices.
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# 2010-11-23 12:21
[quote name="A MomThat's fine. I prefer to dine and shop with those who accept all people, regardless of their personal choices.

Doesnt sound like you accept "all people". Maybe just people that share your beliefs ? See what I'm getting at ?
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# 2010-11-22 17:43
well I know a whole lot of people who weren't going to spend any more money in BG if it didn't pass. I'm going out of my way to stop there more than I do now, so it evens out.
Oh and I've asked a million times and never get an answer. Since you obviously live your life completely by Biblical rule, do you work on Sabbath? Cover your hair in church? Stay silent in church? believe in owning slaves? How about selling your own daughter? We'll start with these and I'll get back to you after that with a few more. THANKS!
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# 2010-11-22 20:20
God bless you and soften your heart. I hope you don't have to carry this burden of hate forever. Jesus taught us to love our brothers no matter what their afflictions, jobs, origins etc. The "law" you're basing such hate on is buried in Deuteronomy behind something about not eating Scallops. I can't imagine that my God would care about something so silly over his Son's instructions to love your neighbor.
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# 2010-11-22 20:56
My dear, then you won't be spending your money in *any* community, will you?

Are you going to boycott cities who refuse to discriminate against co-habitating couples, who allow drunkenness, or allow women to work outside the home and have women ministers and lay leaders?

This is the 21st century, darling, not the 18th, nor the 10th, or even the First! Have fun trying to find a town who follows your narrow-minded bigotry!
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# 2010-11-22 21:36
So you refuse to support local businesses because you think a town is at odds with your imaginary friend? Use your brain.
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# 2010-11-23 17:40
Bible mentions you very clearly. Only a fool says there is no God.
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# 2010-11-25 01:53
The Bible mentions a lot of things. Things that have since been disproven. It was put together by primitive men.

There's a difference between saying there's no god, and rejecting current gods. Until you have proof, I have no reason to believe any religion is correct.

But if the God you believe in is so real, he can clearly fix the whole 'people not believing in him' thing by letting us know he actually exists. He's all powerful, right? So it's a perfectly simple task for him. I'll believe if he does this. Doesn't necessarily mean I'll worship, but I'll believe.
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# 2010-11-22 23:28
Question: do you work in BG? Are you going to TAKE hard-earned money from the community you think is so ungodly?

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
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# 2010-11-23 00:36
Quoting a GOD fearing woman:
I will no longer spend my hard earned money in a community that is against GOD and believes that homosexuality is ok. God loves the sinner but hates the sin and he will not recognize the sinner until they turn from the sin. It is clearly stated in the BIBLE. I will travel for my necessities and I hope that every other christian will also. GOD said his way isn't going to be easy in a world full of sin but he is worth the hardship.


Hope you've got good snow tires! I too thought this was a joke, I couldn't believe it was even an issue! Or, in the year 2010 ANYONE would publicly humiliate themselves by promoting bigotry. Unbelievable! I'm grateful I live where this is not challenged, and my life isn't filled with it. People would be publicly humiliated to even have to hear this!
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# 2010-11-23 16:30
If you are against abortion, which I'm sure you are... I suppose you will have to stop shopping in this country altogether.
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# 2010-11-23 10:09
Make sure you get your carpets cleaned by a Toledo company too!
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# 2010-11-24 13:52
I thought you cleaned carpets Amanda..
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# 2010-11-23 22:26
Consider that your thought God said it was not going easy he was refering to us putting up with you. Remember in your actions what you do to the businesses in BG (Jesus' flock) you do unto God! While I know all of this is likely culture shock but try reading the Jesus Secret by Michale Wood to give you some insight as to the real language Jesus spoke that was only discovered in the last 120 years and brings new light to what should be in your heart and the translation of the your Bible. Do you really think the stand you advocate is what your savior ask of you?
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# 2010-11-22 15:10
Ahmad, do you also refuse to rent to those who are greedy, who watch pornography, who have heterosexual sex outside of marriage, and who disobey their parents, or are you just focused on the "sin" of homosexuality?
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# 2010-11-22 23:31
Yeah, how about liars and thieves? I'm sure I recall seeing something about that in the 10 Commandments. Oh, and murderers.
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# 2010-11-22 15:16
I have lost my faith in BG being an equal opportunity employer.You now have to turn Gay to become employed.
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# 2010-11-22 17:43
Given the frequency in which you post on here, I find it hard to believe that you're employed in the first place. The reason you may have difficulty finding work isn't because your straight. It's because you spell like a 5th grader, and your grammar is atrocious.
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# 2010-11-24 13:53
You lost your chance to teach me Adam..Save for the kindergartners..
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# 2010-11-23 11:08
I'm employed, and I'm not gay.
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# 2010-11-24 12:42
I'm not employed and I'm not a homosexual. I was previosly employed and was still not a homosexual. My friend was employed and he was a homosexual. My friend lost his job and was still a homosexual. Is their anything we have not covered?
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# 2010-11-24 14:53
You best learn to switch hit son..
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# 2010-11-22 15:39
Congratulations to BG on remaining in the 21st century, and especially to all the student voters who now know firsthand their vote does count!

P.S. Dear C.P.: Transgendered women might have been using rest rooms next to your children all along, just about anywhere. How would you know? What a ridiculous thing to obsess over.

P.S.S. Dear Ahmad, So you wouldn't rent to fornicators? Adulterers? How about people who just take God's name in vain? I'm sure you can find some nice rental property elsewhere where you can discriminate all you want. You are still free to practice your own religion. The only "right" you're giving up is wanting to make more money.
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# 2010-11-22 15:47
Congratulations to my hometown! I never thought it would happen.
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# 2010-11-22 16:25
Great job Bowling Green! I am so happy to live in a community that rejects fear, hate and discrimination. This is a city that should stand for equality and justice. Great work ONE BG! Great work BG voters!
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# 2010-11-22 16:53
Finally some justice for all the misjustice in Bowling Green! I never thought I'd see the day, but am so happy I have. Maybe people in BG will finally learn to not judge and discriminate now that it's illegal regarding housing & employment. To all the parents "now afraid", I agree, if you didn't understand that a heterosexual man was more of a risk to your daughter than a homosexual man, then you do have some misconceptions! And they've been in BG long before this became a legal issue.
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# 2010-11-22 17:56
"Mary Vollmar, an opponent of the ordinances, said this morning that the new laws are just the start of a deterioration of traditional values."

Traditional values of whom? Not everyone believes in discrimination and ignorance. There are several mainstream Denominations that not only accept LGBT people as members, but also ordain LGBT clergy.
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# 2010-11-22 18:10
Old Fogey commented, "Like it or not, One BG, close to half of the BG residents were not in favor of these resolutions and do not appreciate what they stand for." WRONG NUMBERS, sir.There are 25,000 registered BG voters on the rolls at the Board of Elections. Approximately 9000 voted on each of the ordinances. The two "no" votes tallied 4284 and 4338, NOWHERE CLOSE to the total number of registered voters nor to the figure of total population [29636] given at the city website.
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# 2010-11-22 23:35
You're right, the total is 8,622. That means the other 16,378 registered voters might have had a different opinion.

I think there was a typo in Old Fogey's comment. He or she meant to say that close to half of the *biased, hypocritical* BG residents were not in favor of them.
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# 2010-11-23 13:30
Quoting Smarter Than You:
You're right, the total is 8,622. That means the other 16,378 registered voters might have had a different opinion.

I think there was a typo in Old Fogey's comment. He or she meant to say that close to half of the *biased, hypocritical* BG residents were not in favor of them.

No, I didn't mean that at all, but nice try. The election came out as One BG wanted. Why still so much venom?
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# 2010-11-23 17:54
Because certain citizens of BG are under the delusion that their personal religious beliefs trump that of the Constitution of the United States.

These same kind of people believe that a woman shouldn't have the power over their reproductive freedom, who believed that two people of different skin colors couldn't marry, who believed that segregation was sacred, who discriminated against Jews, Muslims, and other Christians by required prayers in public schools, etcetera -- all based on their *personal* religious beliefs.

This is why the Establishment Clause is in the Constitution, and the practice of church/state separation. Our Constitution is *secular*, and is like that on purpose!
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# 2010-11-23 13:28
Sir?? I am a female, thanks. DISCRIMINATION! !!!
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# 2010-11-24 12:53
It is nice to find someone posting here that is sure of their gender!
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# 2010-11-22 19:38
I think employers and land lords should have the right to choose who they want to hire or rent to. They dont have to give a reason why you are not chosen. They dont HAVE to hire you or rent to you. Its their choice. Being able to make choices is what makes our country FREE.
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# 2010-11-23 00:26
Finally, after reading a boatload of ridiculous commentary about things that don't even pertain to the issue at hand..someone hit it right where it's most important! It's all about taking the rights away from those who are providing housing and employment to the citizens of BG and giving them away to anyone who whines about why they were denied either one of these things.How many more rights have to be taken away before people are happy? How many more people have to demand they get their way before those who are left holding nothing are denied anything they might deserve? It's all about the rights and there IS NO BALANCE anymore! I'm glad I do not have a business of any kind..I couldn't afford to hire everyone the law says I have to hire, instead of the ones I would CHOOSE to hire.
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# 2010-11-23 17:06
The law doesn't say who you have to hire- only that you can't base your decision on discrimination. If you're a bigot and don't want to hire or rent to people solely based on their race or sexual orientation or any other stupid prejudice, then you probably shouldn't be a business owner in the first place.
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# 2010-11-26 22:26
so the only thing left to do is make sure that the person an employer wants to hire or a landlord wanting to rent to someone is not a criminal & has a perfect credit record. hmmm...really limits what a person can do. for the record, I am not a bigot..I am a person who has a serious problem with the goverment, the community and anyone else with a nose in the business of others who keeps taking it upon themselves to run what ever I do. I feel bad for anyone in the military these days...they are fighting for nothing anymore.
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# 2010-11-23 17:48
No one's rights were taken away, darling bigot. In fact rights were *expanded*, thanks to the BG City Council.

Agreed fails to comprehend that no one is *given* a job due to what they are! There are NO quotas in the ordinances, Agreed... NONE!

Furthermore, how is insuring the fact that ALL citizens of BG are treated *equally* before the law (which is secular, btw!), denying someone else their rights?

You *do* know, don't you that what someone's personal religious beliefs has no standing when it comes to following non-discrimination laws, right?
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# 2010-11-26 22:46
Remove bigot from your vocabulary smart one. Uncalled for since you don't know me. I realize that some aren't "given" jobs due to what they are. They're to be "given" jobs based on experience, training or merit. Not "given" a job because of the assumption they are being discriminated against.. when in reality they are not qualified for the job. THAT'S when ALL citizens who employ or rent aren't treated equally. Your words "Furthermore, how is insuring the fact that ALL citizens of BG are treated *equally* before the law (which is secular, btw!), denying someone else their rights?" EVERYTIME someone gets their way, the other gets something taken away. How do employers not hiring someone because they aren't qualified (NOT because they're gay) prove it with laws like this? Explain that..btw the last line is stupid. Never mentioned religion!
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# 2010-11-27 08:22
Agreed -- The "bigot" was leveled at Bobby, darling... not you. Try to read threads, if you please.

As to your assertions regarding rights, I'll say it again -- how is guaranteeing that *everyone* is treated equally taking away someone else's rights?

Of course if that other person is a bigot and prejudiced towards a minority, then I can understand them whining and throwing a tantrum like a spoilt child being told they're going to have to start sharing.

The same whining came when the courts started ruling that the rights of religious and racial minorities along with women were covered under the Fourteenth Amendment, and now it's time LGBTs are covered under the same Constitution.
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# 2010-11-23 08:55
Break the law Bobby,I will!!!
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# 2010-11-23 10:16
Bobby -- That's true... as long as those reasons are *legitimate*, and not prejudicial.

If I owned a slew of rental properties, I'd love to be able to say "I won't rent to anyone who attends Dayspring", or "I won't rent to heterosexuals" but I wouldn't.
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# 2010-11-23 14:18
So, Sweetie, how does Bobby prove a negative, that he was not being prejudicial when he hired someone else not in the protected class define by this law?
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# 2010-11-23 17:20
Easy... they'll have to give the reasons why that person in their mind weren't qualified for the job should the person complaining file with the city.

One year, I decided to test Cracker Barrel back when they were openly anti-LGBT and apply for a job as a dishwasher. The manager had to go back to his office (most likely to look at the file they were required to keep for any names who held pro-LGBT views), and he came back, saying I was over-qualified.

I told him someone who worked at Blanchard Valley Industries (Hancock County's version of Wood Lane) was over-qualified, and I knew the reason *why* I was not hired.
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# 2010-11-24 09:08
Quoting Marlene:
Easy... they'll have to give the reasons why that person in their mind weren't qualified for the job should the person complaining file with the city.

One year, I decided to test Cracker Barrel back when they were openly anti-LGBT and apply for a job as a dishwasher. The manager had to go back to his office (most likely to look at the file they were required to keep for any names who held pro-LGBT views), and he came back, saying I was over-qualified.

I told him someone who worked at Blanchard Valley Industries (Hancock County's version of Wood Lane) was over-qualified, and I knew the reason *why* I was not hired.

Did you sue them?
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# 2010-11-27 08:24
How can I sue them, Snapper when there are no laws banning such discrimination?
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# 2010-11-24 14:46
nice,tootsie, now you can read people's minds! So when they give you a reason then you say "that's not the over-riding reason I was denied, the deciding reason is that I'm "fill in the blank with a protected class". This is the attorney's full employment act!
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# 2010-11-24 13:33
But...as the property's owner, you should have that right.
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# 2010-11-24 14:49
You forget, old fogey, this is also an attack on private property rights. What's your's is no longer your's, it belongs to the collective
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# 2010-11-27 08:29
Len, dear... if you open up a rental property, you are *required* by law to follow certain non-discrimination ordinances. The same thing goes for any business open to the public.

Now if Gary Thompson adapts his business and declares it to be open *only* to churches, then he has that right, but he still would be subject to laws banning religious discrimination.

There are exemptions to the housing ordinance, Len dear... try reading the ordinance and finding out for yourself what the exemptions are.
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# 2010-11-23 10:16
Hallelujah! Someone finally got it right! What happened to this being a free county. Socialism... here we come. Pretty soon, it'll be the government telling you what brand of cheese a store can sell and how much a particular person can buy. I believe you have a right protect your assets and a business owner/landlord should have the right hire/rent as they choose. I just can't wait until sexual predators decide they are discriminated against and see how everyone reacts to that! Equal Rights! Equality! OneBG! Where will you stand on that one?
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# 2010-11-23 14:08
Quoting joe:
I just can't wait until sexual predators decide they are discriminated against and see how everyone reacts to that! Equal Rights! Equality! OneBG! Where will you stand on that one?


This has NOTHING to do with sexual predators, stay on topic. This is about making sure someone is hired/rented to based on qualifications, rather than gender/sexuality. These laws have been on the books in other Ohio cities for several years, and the world keeps spinning. If you hire based on merit, than you have nothing to worry about.
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# 2010-11-23 17:10
Your logic is flawed, Joe. Homosexuality is not a crime- child abuse is. The two are not logically comparable.
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# 2010-11-24 13:49
Joe, sweetie... you wouldn't know what socialism is even if it bit you on the butt!

But just to let you know... the services provided by the city (fire, police, EMS, streets, street repair, snow removal, water and sewer, ad infinitum IS socialism!
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# 2010-11-23 11:07
Quoting Bobby:
I think employers and land lords should have the right to choose who they want to hire or rent to. They dont have to give a reason why you are not chosen. They dont HAVE to hire you or rent to you. Its their choice. Being able to make choices is what makes our country FREE.


As I mentioned in an earlier letter to the editor, an employer should only be concerned as to whether or not an applicant is qualified for the job being advertised. A landlord should only be concerned with whether or not a tenant's money is green or whether or not their check bounced. Focusing on whether your prospective employee or renter is gay or straight has nothing to do with their ability to work or pay rent.
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# 2010-11-23 21:42
But if its my business or my rentals, I should have a choice who I want to deal with. Right?
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# 2010-11-24 13:34
Absolutely.
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# 2010-11-24 13:51
Nope! if the person passes a credit check, and has good references, you are prohibited from discriminating against them for a variety of conditions: race, religion, national origin, marital status, et al... and now gender identity and sexual orientation!
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# 2010-11-24 23:11
So if a convicted child molester wants to rent from me with a good credit check and good references, then I have to let him in? I have no right to deny this man into one of my houses?
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# 2010-11-26 10:35
I'm trying to figure out how the convicted child molester would have good references or how the conviction would not amount to a bad reference. The comparison of law-abiding gay citizens to convicted child molesters is inherently offensive. No wonder you are "confused."
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# 2010-11-28 11:13
Ok, Ill make it easier. What is all of my rentals are only for Grad students. Isnt that discriminating against undergrads. All I am saying it is happening everywhere, but laws and ordinances do not fix the problem. The credit check and good references dont mean anything. You guys dont get it.
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# 2010-11-29 11:03
Confused -- There are a number of complexes (mine included) who deny rentals to full-time students.

I get your meaning, dear. You want to be able to discriminate based on beliefs you feel are immoral.

Well, it was once thought that an interracial or unmarried couple were immoral too, and our society has evolved past those petty prejudices. you're just going to have to get used to the fact that LGBT Americans have rights too, my dear.
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# 2010-11-29 21:23
Now you are wrong. I do not want to discriminate. I would let anybody I feel would take care of my rental houses stay there. What I dont want is my freedom taken away. I understand what people are saying on here, but you know someone will abuse this law and drag honest law abiding people through the mud. It happens all the time. Who wants to start a business with that possibile threat?
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# 2010-11-22 19:46
I'm waiting for the street preachers to realize they can't be denied jobs in gay establishments. 2 sides to this coin before a higher court takes it up.
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# 2010-11-23 10:56
yes, I'm sure street preachers will be beating down the door to apply for jobs at these fabled "gay establishments" in BG. yeah, mmhmm. right.
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# 2010-11-23 18:48
Quoting springisintheai r:
yes, I'm sure street preachers will be beating down the door to apply for jobs at these fabled "gay establishments" in BG. yeah, mmhmm. right.

Gay bars, gay church's gay businesses and future establishments. They can and will be paid to present a heterosexual life style while they work. They are also no longer confined to the street side walk as long as they do business in an establishment. No discrimination against sexual orientation means just that, everyones included.
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# 2010-11-23 11:26
What "Gay Establishments" do you know of in BG? And no, they could not be denied jobs because they are street preachers, but could if they are NOT QUALIFIED...just like any gay person could be.
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# 2010-11-25 16:36
Quoting BGLocal:
What "Gay Establishments" do you know of in BG? And no, they could not be denied jobs because they are street preachers, but could if they are NOT QUALIFIED...just like any gay person could be.


They have been denied entrance to the church across the street from the P.S.. No more all they need do is put a penny check in the plate and they cannot be denied any service anyone else is allowed there. They can preach whatever message they feel. If a blatant H.S. must be accepted any blatant... must be. The town has the potential for some very ugly outsiders to have "fun" in town and all legal. Maybe if that does people will begin to understand personal freedom. A bar! Jesus served wine inorder to preach. He didn't have the law behind him.
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# 2010-11-26 10:42
They were denied entrance because First Presbyterian Church of Bowling Green--one of the olderst and most mainstream churches in town--has a stated policy welcoming __ALL__ worshippers, including gays and lesbians. The "heterosexuals" who were denied entrance were protesting this church policy, passing out flyers and harassing churchgoers. They were not there to worship. And they were given severe talking-tos by long standing, and decidedly heterosexual members of the church (All that said, the ordinances allow religious institutions explicitly to retain the right to determine who can worship there).
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# 2010-11-26 10:54
Try as I might, I cannot make sense out of this paragraph. PS? Penny check? What are you talking about?!
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# 2010-11-26 15:32
I am presuming that P.S. is "police station," which means that the church in question is the First Presbyterian Church. There was an incident several months ago where "Cops for Christ" was protesting the church's open and welcoming policy toward LGBT citizens, and accosting church members as they entered the church.
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# 2010-11-26 14:14
Riiiiight, Gargie! BG's going to be invaded by allll these scary f*gs and d*kes and tr*nnies ready to take over every aspect of your lives!!

As Bugs Bunny would say "Watta maroon!"
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# 2010-11-29 13:11
[They have been denied entrance to the church across the street from the P.S.. No more all they need do is put a penny check in the plate and they cannot be denied any service anyone else is allowed there. ]

The sign at First Pres. is "Christ Welcomes All." What Gargie is saying in shorthand (I think) is that due to the ordinances this now should force the church to admit those who show up opposed to other groups who have been allowed entrance, explicitly GLTB. This is nonsense. Not only are religious groups exempt from the ordinances, but giving this example shows basic confusion about the distinction between civic and religious life in a secular democracy.
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# 2010-11-22 20:01
I'm so happy to hear that BG is coming into the 21st century--it's about time Ohio starts swinging that way.

To all the haters: if you wanted a place where people shared your values (aka bigotry) you should probably not have chosen to live in a town with a liberal arts university in the middle of it. Artsy college kids tend to live in the present day, not in the stone age.
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# 2010-11-23 09:07
Quoting Liz:
I'm so happy to hear that BG is coming into the 21st century--it's about time Ohio starts swinging that way.

To all the haters: if you wanted a place where people shared your values (aka bigotry) you should probably not have chosen to live in a town with a liberal arts university in the middle of it. Artsy college kids tend to live in the present day, not in the stone age.

oh believe me, when the time is right, im fleeing this liberal-dominatin', tree-huggin', hippy-infested town.
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# 2010-11-23 11:27
Don't let the door hit ya, where the good Lord split ya.
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# 2010-11-23 17:11
Good Riddance.
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# 2010-11-22 21:37
these comments are ridiculous...transvestites attacking your kids in bathrooms? give me a break

and you wonder why people leave small towns in droves as soon as they can...small towns, small minds
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# 2010-11-23 01:05
Quoting lol:
these comments are ridiculous...transvestites attacking your kids in bathrooms? give me a break

and you wonder why people leave small towns in droves as soon as they can...small towns, small minds


I don't wonder, it's WHY I left. I even sold my rental too! I refused to pay taxes any longer to a community so bigoted. And, yes, I voted. I lived there and owned several properties. I do practice what I preach and now live in a very tolerant community. Not an ivory tower, like I've been accused of, but an equal tower, and I'm not even GAY! The discrimination disgusted me. I shop elsewhere myself now too, and pay taxes to another State and community. I find relief that I don't have to listen to bigotry in the grocery aisle, and everywhere else, it is refreshing to say the least!
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# 2010-11-23 08:52
Great Linda,its a lot quieter in BG now.Glad to see you go..
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# 2010-11-22 22:37
So, Bobby, it's OK for landlords to refuse to rent to divorced persons or single women or interracial couples? It's OK for employers to deny a totally qualified candidate who lost a leg in Iraq or might get pregnant sometime in the future? If you offer a service or an employment to the community, you must abide by community laws. THAT's what builds up the strength of America--its unity in diversity. E PLURIBUS UNUM!!
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# 2010-11-23 08:45
Quoting ellen:
So, Bobby, it's OK for landlords to refuse to rent to divorced persons or single women or interracial couples? It's OK for employers to deny a totally qualified candidate who lost a leg in Iraq or might get pregnant sometime in the future? If you offer a service or an employment to the community, you must abide by community laws. THAT's what builds up the strength of America--its unity in diversity. E PLURIBUS UNUM!!

This was nothing more but a vote on lewd,and crude homosexual behavior.Nothing more nothing less.
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# 2010-11-23 13:32
Making it a vote on "behavior" is what made the vote close and gathered the support for the "no" campaign. Unfortunately for that reasoning, this was not what the ordinances were about at all. From the tenor of the negative commentary, though, I get the impression that people are upset that they cannot any longer actively and openly discriminate against homosexuality. The sad and empty thing is that they are likely to see very little outward change in their town.
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# 2010-11-23 14:20
This was a vote on housing and employment. This was a vote on equality. I can guarantee that unless you are an employer or renter, you will not see a change. If you are, the only change you will see is if you hire based on sexuality.

This bill was passed so that members of the community are hired based on how well they can perform a job, and find housing based on their ability to pay. No more, no less.
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# 2010-11-23 17:56
hey, don't forget about us veterans. We've been passed over for jobs too! Now we can sue with the best of them. So, you BG employers and landlord better watch your backside in more ways then one.
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# 2010-11-24 13:54
Len -- Lawsuits are NOT the first step, dear. When you file your complaint with the city, you're assigned a certified arbitrator who will listen to your case.

If you and the business can't reach a settlement after *multiple attempts, *then* you have the right to have the EEOC and the Ohio Civil Rights Commission hear your case.
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# 2010-11-24 17:33
My mistake Marlene, honey, I can jump through hoops with the best of them! A little arbitration never hurt anybody just so I don't have to pay for the arbitrator through my taxes or individually. As long as I keep my eye on the prize of making those evil employers pay for their transgressions. Imagine the arrogance of these employers trying to run THEIR business the way THEY see fit. WE know what is best for THEIR business. You haven't lifted the boycott of "CRAZY GEORGE" yet have you? Now there is a guy who gives back to the community in so many ways! He needs to be taught a lesson by the most tolerant among us!
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# 2010-11-24 23:18
and there is no way im gonna let Thompsons carpet cleaning business in my house. Oh wait, do I have the right to refuse their business or will they call the city and file a complaint? Im so confused. Who are we against now? No wait I understand. I dont want bigots cleaning my carpet. I have that right. Right? I can tell them I dont agree with their ideas so you cant come in my house. Right?
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# 2010-11-25 11:49
you still have that right. I for one will protect your right to be intolerant. you may wallow in you misery all you want. But, keep supporting restrictions on individual's rights to private property and someone will be after you next---for whatever reason. I hope this clears things up for you, confused, but I'm affaid you will remanin confused
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# 2010-11-26 09:18
Len, what you dont get is that for every piece of government involvement the people of the world become more and more intolerant. I wish you knew me and yo would see I am a very tolerant individual. There will be a case were enforcing this ordinance will cause a larger ordeal and continue to tear this town apart.Hopefully soon we will see that laws dont make people understand, education and teamwork does. So instead of throwing more laws out there, get involved and help those people understand without the negativity. I for one dont have a problem renting to anybody, but these laws start to pingeon hole good businesses not because they want to discriminate, but because they are held down by every little law. Where does it stop?
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# 2010-11-26 11:53
just read your other posts. I think you are confused by saying you are confused, confused. I am no longer confused by confused.
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# 2010-11-26 14:51
Len, darling.... you know nothing about the Constitution, or the law do you?

Once you begin a business, you open yourself up to the laws of the country, state, and city.

This means you're required to follow lots of laws on safety, access, pay, taxes, and a myriad of other laws.

Some of those laws are on non-discrimination. This means you cannot under limited circumstances deny service to *anyone* who walks in your door... *period*! Those signs which say "we reserve the the right to refuse service" better have a valid and *legal* reason to deny said service.

If it's a place like the Corner Grill and have been burned by certain customers, or they're dressed in a way (no shirt, no shoes, no service) then they have that right. Otherwise, they can't refuse.
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# 2010-11-22 23:26
Way to go BG! Way to support homosexuality as an OKAY lifestyle and everything about it is moral and dandy.. Good God. Everywhere you go, its all you see anymore. You cant watch TV without seeing men smooching on each other or talking with a lisp. 40 or 50 years ago being gay or makin' yourself look like a boy or a girl was something you kept to yourself and feared that the wrong person would find out.
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# 2010-11-23 08:50
I know Phil.America is in decay.Just like the Roman Empire it will fall.Bowling Green will become community of undesirables.
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# 2010-11-24 04:49
my wife would much rather live in a community of undesirables than a community of close minded,bigoted, hatemongers any day
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# 2010-11-24 14:56
Di you marry a trailer park girl?
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# 2010-11-23 10:09
That's right Phil, 50 years ago people who were gay had to hide that fact about themselves, now they are free not to get fired or evicted because of it! Things change and people views change Phil, that's what freedom's all about, right?
I guess another thing has changed too, now all the LGBT folks are free to be themselves and you have to hide your bigotry that you used to wear as a badge of honor...
Way to go BG indeed!! I love living in a progressive town! Thanks voters!!
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# 2010-11-23 17:22
I agree. Way to go BG!!! Being gay is nothing to be ashamed of, and 40 or 50 years from now, people like you will go down in history looking like ignorant fools not unlike those who fought against women's rights and civil rights 40 or 50 years ago.
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# 2010-11-24 23:19
Name one of those guys. I dont know of any.
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# 2010-11-24 11:08
Quoting Phil:
40 or 50 years ago being gay or makin' yourself look like a boy or a girl was something you kept to yourself and feared that the wrong person would find out.


So did anyone ever find out that you were gay?
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# 2010-11-23 08:48
This is the "Gay and Lesbian Bill of Rights".
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# 2010-11-23 08:49
Thanks to everyone that just made BG a better place to live and raise a family.
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# 2010-11-23 10:29
How does this silly ordinance make BG a better place to live?
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# 2010-11-23 11:31
Quoting Huh?:
How does this silly ordinance make BG a better place to live?

It turns BG into a Gay Pride only community.Those not in the lifestyle are to be displaced in the future.This vote has started the legal take over.You better get used to the new wave.Heterosexuals will become obsolete in this new elite community.
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# 2010-11-26 23:00
"Those not in the lifestyle are to be displaced in the future.This vote has started the legal take over.You better get used to the new wave.Heterosexuals will become obsolete in this new elite community."
AGREED!!! Way to hit the nail on the head Snapper! Just like plain white, hard working, tax paying, law abiding men and women will be obsolete and in the minority because EVERYONE else MUST have THEIR way! Bravo for being honest! And before anyone gets cute, I am NOT a bigot..I am SICK & TIRED of the fact that I CAN'T live MY life the way I WANT TO!!
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# 2010-11-27 19:19
What exactly do you want to do that you are unable to? I really can't imagine what is different about your life after the ordinances passed. Can you please explain that to me? And why are you so angry that you're yelling?
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# 2010-11-29 17:48
Because it's personal, I won't give details as to what I'd like to do but can't as a result of the constant whines by everyone who wants their way. What I will do is say that the difference the ordinance makes in my life is the increasing of loss of my rights as well as others losing theirs. I have extreme sympathy for business and property owners who don't have the right to run their business as they see fit. They've put their own blood, sweat, tears and money into the life they have chosen to execute and they cannot because everyone wants their way. Noone is satisfied and there's no balance. I honestly want to have my own business someday but never will because of the fear of being sued for not hiring someone I didn't see fit to work and being accused that it's for another reason i.e. discrimination. I'm angry...therefore I yell.
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# 2010-11-29 20:19
they dont understand a loss of rights on this board. only a few of us do.
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# 2010-11-29 23:44
So you're telling me that you're so afraid of the possibility of being sued that you won't even attempt to have a business?
What about all the people in the gay community who have put their blood, sweat, and tears into having a normal life who are continuously discriminated against? Are they less important and therefore not worth protecting? I'm just trying to understand why it's ok to hurt these people so business owners can discriminate as they please.
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# 2010-11-30 07:25
You are asked a pretty simple question, and the only thing you can answer with is rhetoric that you probably read on one of those hate-fliers. They are taking away my freedoms!! How? That is pretty simple, and if you are going to post the stuff you do, and then say "it's personal" when asked about what you mean, maybe you should keep it shut to begin with? You'll still have every right to call them queers, fruits or whatever derogatory term you like, just in the comfort of your own home.
What downright scares me, though, is that these type of laws have been around for 50+ years. Do you also hate it that you would have to serve blacks, muslims or catholics in your someday, dream business?
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# 2010-11-23 17:09
It's not "silly" when YOU are the one who could've been the victim of discrimination, sunshine...
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# 2010-11-24 11:10
just like your gender, the reason for your perceived discrimination is a figment of your imagination, Princess Summer Fall Winter Spring
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# 2010-11-23 10:51
Do Queers reproduce Karin?
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# 2010-11-23 11:54
I could use that poem now...
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# 2010-11-23 19:52
Well Snapperhead, I see that you are still hiding behind your screen name. What is the matter, do you still not have the courage to step out from behind the white hood to show the town who you really are? I mean other than an ignorant, intolerant, poor excuse for a neighbor.
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# 2010-11-24 09:19
No, I am not looking for a date Jay...
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# 2010-11-23 12:39
With all the talk about acceptance, rights, tollerance, welcoming, support, diversity.....etc. Why all the name calling ?
Now there are comments about telling people to leave and they are not welcome here, take your business elsewhere or don't use a BG business ??
Please tell me how this is good for BG.
Yes, OUR COMMUNITY, is divided on this issue and yes emotions are high, but does that equate to hate ??
I challenge EVERYONE who posted a negative comment on here to retract it.
Everyone here knows someone who voted againts the way you voted. No matter which way they voted, they are still good people.
Who is with me ???
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# 2010-11-24 22:08
I guess it was too much to ask for civility. I really wish people practice what they preach. I guess only they have to live with themselves knowing they don't. I feel sorry for them. Good luck.
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# 2010-11-23 13:54
I think many of these comments have succeeded in blowing out of the water the thought that the ordinances were redundant or extraneous to existing protections. It is amazing to me how deeply so many feel about their "right" to descriminate against gays and lesbians. Save it for church. In case you hadn't noticed, the town of Bowling Green is not a religious organization. The basic premise of our democratic republic is that the individual does not have the right to impose his religious values on his neighbors without their consent.
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# 2010-11-23 17:45
And you can't force people to ok a sinful life style just because you passed a silly ordinance. So this whole thing was a waste of your time.
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# 2010-11-24 12:17
Quoting Newman:
And you can't force people to ok a sinful life style just because you passed a silly ordinance. So this whole thing was a waste of your time.


So keep your nose out of other people's business, Newman...or should I say Mrs. Kravitz. There should be enough things within your own life to keep you busy without worrying about how others live their life. Oh - I forgot - you have to "have a life" in order to do that.
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# 2010-11-29 17:55
"So keep your nose out of other people's business, Newman...or should I say Mrs. Kravitz"

Extremely difficult to keep your nose out of people's business when they keep shoving their business down your throat and forcing it to be an ordinance. It's everywhere no matter what it is and everyone must accept eceryone and the way they live. I say accept the way I live and I will accept the way you live...but keep your crap out of my life and I will keep my crap out of yours. Oh wait, the only way to keep me and my family from anything offensive I will have to move to a remote area, no electricity, no tv, radio, no contact with another human being ever again, no newsprint..wow. So how many of you are going to tell me to start packing like you have with others who would rather not live where they do not agree with the majority? Hmm?
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# 2010-11-23 14:18
Wow you all really have too much time to sit and take everything to extremes. This is a law made for lawyers and people who want to make a buck.
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# 2010-11-23 17:08
CP -- You don't listen, do you, sweetums?

The FIRST step is arbitration! The *second* step is arbitration! In fact is, there are *repeated* attempts at resolving the dispute *without* having to file a lawsuit, or contacting either the EEOC and/or the OCRC.

Does someone from ONE BG have to knock on your door, hand you a copy of the ordinance and point to where it says "arbitration" for you to realize that fact?
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# 2010-11-24 13:41
Actually, the FIVE knocks on my door at inopportune times before the election were plenty. AND the phone calls. AND the mailings. AND the newspaper endorsement.

Who does the arbitration?
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# 2010-11-24 23:21
Its paid for through our tax dollars.
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# 2010-11-27 08:36
WRONG! *Volunteer* certified arbitrators will hear the cases, and there are multiple levels of appeals.
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# 2010-11-28 11:18
yippee. So now volunteers can tell me what to do. Who picks these volunteers? Its not an elected official. Now we are in even bigger trouble. Most of you do not see the big picture. This is very much like the Hot McDonalds coffee. Anybody can find any reason to try and get something for free or feel like they have been beat down. It does not solve the problem.
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# 2010-11-29 11:05
The volunteers come from BGSU's Human Rights Commission, and are appointed by the City Administrator.

Since you obviously don't know a thing about binding arbitration, I suggest you Google it. It's not a "free ride", darling. The compaintent has to provide evidence, just as if was a trial.
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# 2010-11-23 23:57
concerned parent- this may be not very important to you, but for some of us it is a life and death issue. Yes people are talking in extremes, yes emotions are high, and it's not because people just "have too much time." I've just worked a 12 hour day, and I could really use some rest, but this issue is important enough to keep engaging in conversation.
The ordinances are not about lawyers- I don't even know where you're getting that idea. They are about protecting people from discrimination in housing and employment. It's a very simple concept, though lots of confusing messages have been sent out from the NO campaign. I can say that with the ordinances passing, people who often times are targets of hatred and discrimination feel a bit safer in our town. Why are you truly so against this?
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# 2010-11-24 14:00
Get some rest Justine.The stress is starting to show big time.Employers want 100% from employees these days.If you don't cut the mustard,the GBBTQ discrimination issue won't help you.
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# 2010-11-27 19:24
If I could begin to understand what you're trying to say I'd be glad to respond. Too bad your comment is incomprehensibl e.
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# 2010-11-23 15:58
"They're next," she said. "We're voting them out - all of them." She added that Mike Frost, the one councilmember to vote against the ordinances, would not be targeted. "We'll let Frost stay."


"I will no longer spend my hard earned money in a community that is against GOD and believes that homosexuality is ok."

WRATH!!! One of the Seven deadly sins! And you women say you are God fearing!
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# 2010-11-23 20:02
Amusedreader,

Could you site for me one passage in the bible in which God, Jesus, Allah, ect.. Says that we should not love and be gentle to ALL our neighbors?

The other Sins include:
Lust- I hope that you never look at your significant other in a sexual way.
Gluttony-I hope you eat a balanced diet and are thin.
Greed-I hope you have never wanted to win the lottery.
Envy-Don't look at your neighbors house and think how it is nicer than yours.

You should be careful of what you say.
Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

or perhaps

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
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# 2010-11-24 12:38
Jay,
EXACTLY my point. The two women I quoted say that they are seeking revenge on a town and specific people of this town and are doing so because of their love for God. They accuse others of sinning, yet they are living in sin themselves. As for my sins...well I would rather stand there on my judgement day having wished to have won the lottery than standing there having lived my life with hate in my heart towards someone because of who they love or how they dress and using Gods word as reason to justify my hate.
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# 2010-11-23 22:39
Of all of the sins proudly on display here you hit the nail on the head. WWJD?
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# 2010-11-23 17:46
We live in a country that has a secular government, which means that we do not legislate religious beliefs of any sort. If you want to see what it's like to live in a country with a non-secular government, check out what would happen to you Christians if you lived in Pakistan. It's a good example of what can happen when you mix politics and religion.
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# 2010-11-23 17:52
Ok my issue is this. Say what you will but I think being homosexual/bisexual and transgendered are choices people make. So i see no reason why a private buisness owner shouldn't be allowed to fire someone for their personal choices.

Should it be illegal to fire someone because they are a democrat and the owner of the establishment is a republican or if they are a Ohio State fan and the owner is a Michigan fan?

Where does the line get drawn?
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# 2010-11-24 13:01
Do you think being heterosexual is also a choice? Does a man just decide one day, "I'm going to be attracted to women?"
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# 2010-11-24 14:07
Sorry, RB... but there's a reason *why* there are non-discrimination laws in the first place.

First, you need to remember that in the beginning, the colonies were in fact 12 defacto theocracies, except for Rhode Island. This meant only male members of the colony's official religion could be jurors, run for office, etc. That's why Article XI of the Constitution bans religious tests, and the Establishment Clause of the First bans any public entity from naming an official religion or recognize one religion over any other. Those were our first non-discrimination laws.

As long as your business is open to the public, then you're subject to every non-discrimination laws on the books, and has been since the country began.
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# 2010-11-24 14:14
The problem with it is that you think it's a choice. I would not be so quick. It is most definitely a choice to be a Democrat or an OSU fan. But sexual orientation is not. The choice only exists in closeting oneself. Please read up on the issue (from legitimate sources) and abandon your deeply held beliefs.

What I would like to hear from the religious zealots in these comments is whether they think religious affiliation is a choice. That's already protected in hiring and housing...
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# 2010-11-24 14:14
What you don't seem to understand is that these things are not choices. Being sexually active or celibate are choices- personal choices which are nobody else‘s business- but gender and sexuality are not. You don’t choose whether or not you are attracted to the same sex or the opposite sex. Nature decides that. Are you sexually attracted to the same sex? I’m guessing probably not, but in order for your theory to be sound, you would have to admit that you, at one time, had sexual desires for both sexes and chose to not be attracted to the same sex anymore- which would be a ridiculous claim and therefore renders your theory to be complete rubbish.
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# 2010-11-24 23:24
If it was simply a genetic factor, then over time it would be impossible for gays to exist. It must be both. So settle down.
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# 2010-11-26 11:07
So then, heterosexual couples who never have children, are unable to get pregnant, or have their child die will become obsolete in the future also? That is such a flawed argument. There always has been, and always will be enough heterosexual couples around to procreate the "old fashioned" way. And enough people to donate to the cause to allow for homosexual couples to have children.
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# 2010-11-24 19:54
Fine. Then remove religion from the protected classes, because more than anything else, it's a choice. I'd be happy to be able to fire some holier than thou Christian from my staff. Very happy.

So, is that a fair trade?
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# 2010-11-23 18:38
Crystal forgets that city council voted a combined 13-1 on BOTH Ordinances with frost voting Yes on 7905 and No on 7906. also those students make up most of the 29,000 plus so they ARE part of the city. You want their money and to able to say how it is a growing town but they have no say on the any matter that is weak. Also if anyone posting is feeling so threaten by the "The Gays" Please leave I won't miss any of you one bit and I think we will be finally say this is truly One Bowling Green minus the haters. get over it and thanks so much again for focusing on this issue that BG schools, Fire & EMS, Health and Library all passed!
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# 2010-11-23 21:05
This thread alone is proof that we needed these ordinances to pass in this town.
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# 2010-11-23 22:39
Watch out BG city council christian Crystal Thompson has a problem with loving thy neighbor. The christian Crystal wants revenge. We'll get them all out I believe is close to what she said. I will work very hard to show the love and keep them in... no hard feelings christian Crystal. I hope 1BG will work to keep them in... Such threats from a christian woman
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# 2010-11-24 10:33
I want to congratulate Bowling Green on passing these Ordinances. The argument about BGSU students passing this and the city-folk not wanting it is fascinating. Is BGSU not a part of your community and does it not do tremendous benefit to your community? Hatred starts right in your homes; hatred and ignorance is something that is not and can not be acceptable today for anyone. Those of you upset about this are driven by fear, hate and ignorance and are grasping at untruths to make your point. I hope that you really stop yourselves from spreading this way of thinking to others in your household and in your community before its too late.
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# 2010-11-24 12:23
Yaaaaaawn. Someone needs to write a new letter. This thread is starting to get way old.
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# 2010-11-24 14:46
Quoting seriously,...:
Yaaaaaawn. Someone needs to write a new letter. This thread is starting to get way old.

My best stuff is getting censored..And its G-rated..
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# 2010-11-24 15:03
I do know deep down that the GBLTQXYZ community loves me..Thanks and happy holidays...SH
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# 2010-11-26 12:35
You can pass all the ordinances you want in the USA on equality. You can argue the rights of ALL citizens on every human difference...You can quote all the laws you can find. BUT none of this will stop the hate groups or make it any safer in BG for the gays and lesbians, etc. Might have just made it even worse...Nearly 150 years after the Civil War and the hatred and fear of blacks still lives on
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# 2010-11-26 17:10
thank you, reasonable thought. thats all i have been saying.now its worse and the sentinel loves it. look at the hits it has had the last 2 months.
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# 2010-11-26 21:27
Quoting confused:
thank you, reasonable thought. thats all i have been saying.now its worse and the sentinel loves it. look at the hits it has had the last 2 months.

It's not necessarily worse, but it IS out in the open. Maybe now we can begin to talk and reach a stage of meaningful discourse. We may never agree totally, but maybe we can begin to understand each other and realize that it's not a black and white situation, that there's no right and wrong, just differences of opinion. Which is possibly the most "American" thing that could happen. And, yes, there still exists hatred and fear of many groups, most recently LGBTs, Muslims, and Hispanics. 80 years ago, all of these groups would have been oppressed, in addition to Irish and Italians. Progress is possible only through understanding and tolerance. We can do this.
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# 2010-11-27 08:45
I totally agree, Michael... and thanks for pointing out that at one time in this country, the Irish and Italian immigrants were oppressed in this country -- mainly due to their Catholic faith.

I'd like to meet up with Justice Scalia one day and send him back in time to those days -- I wonder what his attitude would be like if *he* were oppressed and discriminated against dayafterdayafte rdayafterday....
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# 2010-11-28 22:23
I live in Tucson, AZ and I became intreasted in this issue for the same reason that I am for SB1070 our own hatred to Immigrants. HATRED should not be tolorated here in Tucson or any place else in this country. History has proven many times that Hatred is Wrong and GOD does not DISCRIMINATE, only Humans DO!
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# 2010-11-29 18:05
Unreal. No one HATES anyone. What we DISLIKE IMMENSELY is the fact that no one can agree to decide who has the rights anywhere we turn. No one hates LBGTs because they are what they are. They are a target because they are part of a group who feels they are not getting their rights. No one hates immigrants...whent ehy are trying to become or already are citizens of the USA. ILLEGAL immigrants are not favored in this country, but that is a completely differnet subject. Most of the people on this thread are still not getting the true problem here with the exeption of one or two..where is the line drawn? When is it enough to say ok..you can do this but you cant do that, and that goes for everyone? No, its getting to be ok..you can do this that and the other thing and you over there, forget it. You cant do anything thank you very much.
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# 2010-11-29 19:08
let's get back to basics here. Fact: the city council thought to extend anti-discrimination rights to certain groups that had suffered discrimination in this town and were not protected under state or federal law. Fact: an opposition group was angry that these groups included GLTB. Fact: the resultant ordinance vote, forced by that angry group, divided the town by turning the whole affair into a referendum on people's moral opinion of GLTB citizen and on their fears, trumped up, of them. The Yes campaign was actually a defensive act trying to prevent repeal of protective ordinances. Unless you weren't in town, this was all about anti-GLTB sentiment. It was only very little about the theory and limits of protected rights groups.
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# 2010-11-29 20:37
YES, Education has beat ignorance once again! Let these people complain about the ordinances passing on here, it's all they can do. Who cares, the community has spoken, I can't wait to move to BG with my girlfriend :) To those of you who hate it so much, hopefully you'll be moved out by next May ;) None of you hateful people could ever ruin my day, because my God loves me and I know it! KUDOS to ONE Bowling Green and all their hard work!!!!
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